Signet Jewelers Fiscal Q4 2026 Earnings Call - Delivered at high end of guidance amid tariffs and record gold, pivots to sharpen brand growth
Summary
Signet closed fiscal 2026 by delivering adjusted operating income and EPS at or above the high end of guidance despite unprecedented tariff pressure, record gold costs, and a cautious consumer, while generating roughly 20% more free cash flow on a simplified operating model. Management says its Grow Brand Love pivot returned the company to growth in year one and will evolve in fiscal 2027 to sharpen brand differentiation, broaden customer reach, and improve the in-store and digital experience.
Executional priorities for FY27 are concrete. Signet will consolidate into four core brand engines, elevate Blue Nile to a premium natural-diamond offering while sunsetting JamesAllen.com, fold Rocksbox into Kay, accelerate store renovations covering roughly 10% of the fleet, redesign Kay, Zales, and Jared websites by Q3, rationalize SKUs and shared inventory pools, and continue centralizing support functions and diamond sourcing. Guidance reflects these transitions, with comps of down 1.25% to up 2.5%, revenue of $6.6 billion to $6.9 billion, adjusted operating income of $470 million to $560 million, and capital spend of $150 million to $180 million.
Key Takeaways
- Delivered at or above the high end of fiscal 2026 adjusted operating income and EPS guidance despite record gold costs and unprecedented tariffs.
- Free cash flow increased roughly 20% year over year to about $525 million, driven by higher earnings, lower cash taxes, and working capital efficiency.
- Management will sharpen Grow Brand Love in year two, focusing on Kay, Zales, Jared and three other engines to drive core growth and then expand adjacencies.
- Signet is consolidating its portfolio to four core brand engines; Blue Nile will be elevated to a premium natural-diamond offering and JamesAllen.com will be sunset over Q2.
- Rocksbox private label will be integrated into Kay, Diamonds Direct will align under accessible luxury, Banter remains under review, and UK/Peoples brands will be maintained for cash generation.
- Signet will remove JamesAllen.com and reposition Blue Nile from comp reporting starting Q2 through Q4, and expects $60 million to $80 million of lost sales contribution from the JamesAllen.com transition.
- Revenue guidance for fiscal 2027 is $6.6 billion to $6.9 billion, comps guidance is down 1.25% to up 2.5%, adjusted operating income guidance is $470 million to $560 million, and adjusted EPS is $8.80 to $10.74.
- Management expects to close about 100 stores, resulting in a low single-digit decline in square footage, while investing in over 200 renovations, up to 20 repositions, and up to 10 store openings.
- Signet will accelerate digital and in-store experience fixes, targeting redesigned Kay, Zales, and Jared websites by Q3, plus a new content management system next year.
- SKU rationalization is underway, with roughly a 20% SKU reduction in Kay already executed; management emphasized shared inventory pools to reduce duplication and improve turns, noting 0.1 turn improvement equals roughly $100 million in free cash flow.
- Gross merchandise margin faced roughly 60 basis points decline in Q4, with merchandise margin down about 30 basis points year over year, driven by tariffs, commodity costs, and promotional activity.
- Tariff assumptions are built on current post-Supreme Court rates, roughly a mid-teen tariff rate for the year, with the company expecting more lead time to mitigate this headwind in H2.
- Promotions weighed on Q4 margin when November softness forced broader discounting ahead of peak holiday days; management expects some margin pressure in Q1 with normalization in the back half of the year.
- Lab-grown diamonds and natural diamonds each showed industry growth; Signet saw LGD penetration under 50% in bridal and just north of 20% in lab-grown fashion during the holiday period, with pricing described as stable.
- Strong balance sheet and capital return plans remain a priority: cash was $875 million at year end, total liquidity about $2 billion, $205 million repurchased in fiscal 2026, remaining repurchase authorization about $518 million, and management expects continued buybacks alongside organic investments.
Full Transcript
Operator: Good morning, and welcome to the Signet Jewelers Fiscal Year 2026 fourth quarter earnings call. Please note, this event is being recorded. Joining us on the call today are Rob Ballew, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations & Capital Markets. J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer. Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer. At this time, I would like to turn the conference call over to Rob. Please go ahead.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers1: Good morning. Thank you for joining us for today’s earnings conference call. During today’s discussion, we will make certain forward-looking statements. Any statements that are not historical facts are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially. We urge you to read the risk factors, cautionary language, and other disclosures in our annual report on Form 10-K, quarterly reports on Form 10-Q, and current reports on Form 8-K. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to revise or publicly update forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events. During the call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. For further discussion of the non-GAAP financial measures, as well as the reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures, investors should review the news release we posted on our website at ir.signetjewelers.com.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: With that, I’ll turn the call over to J.K. Thanks, Rob, and good morning, everyone. I’d like to start the call this morning with a thank you to the Signet team. This past year highlighted your agility in the face of new obstacles and your commitment when presented with opportunity. Thank you for your dedication to Grow Brand Love in the crucial first year of our strategy. There are two key takeaways I’d like to leave you with today. First, as we announced last week, we delivered at or above the high end of our adjusted operating income and EPS guidance range amidst unprecedented tariffs, record gold costs, and a measured consumer, while generating 20% more free cash flow on a simplified operating model.
Second, building on recent positive sales momentum, fiscal 2027 will focus on accelerating core performance through sharper brand differentiation, broader customer reach, and a more seamless in-store and digital experience. Looking back over this first year of Grow Brand Love, our heightened focus on our three largest brands, Kay, Zales, and Jared, proved to be a critical factor in delivering positive same-store sales for the year. In fact, we delivered positive comps for the vast majority of the past year. Within that performance, Kay, Zales, and Jared delivered over 3% combined comp sales growth. Further, the team’s focus on cost management, as well as leveraging value engineering, vendor relationships, and country of origin pivots, have delivered adjusted operating income growth even as we digest a reset to short-term incentive compensation, record gold prices, and elevated tariffs.
Now, more specific to the fourth quarter, performance in each month of the quarter improved on both a one- and two-year comp basis and included a positive performance for the 10 peak holiday selling days, as well as the balance of the quarter. Turning to fiscal 2027, sales momentum continued into the year with a positive Valentine’s Day performance, which has continued quarter to date. This momentum leads me to my next key takeaway today: how Grow Brand Love’s imperatives will evolve in year two of our strategy. The first year of Grow Brand Love returned the business to growth, a result we look to amplify. We’re applying learnings from this past year to refine each of the strategy’s imperatives. I’ll outline the key updates to these imperatives and then spend the balance of my remarks taking a deeper look at the first.
Our first imperative, shifting from a banner mindset to a brand mindset, remains foundational. Over the past year, we strengthened brand positioning across the portfolio, which clarified our path toward building distinct, highly desired brands. In fiscal 2027, we will advance this work. Our second imperative, focusing on our core to earn the right to expand into adjacencies, delivered results this year as our core brands drove the majority of growth. In fiscal 2027, we will leverage our scale to unlock additional portfolio value. This includes improving inventory turns, managing exposure to tariff and commodity volatility, and enhancing pricing architecture to reflect each brand’s customer profile. Our scale also positions us to win in growth avenues such as services and with an integrated diamond strategy. Our final imperative included restructuring the operating model to support strategy.
In fiscal 2027, we will continue to strengthen our operating model through strategic real estate actions, ongoing brand portfolio optimization, and developing a higher-performing organization to ensure opportunity for our team and bench strength for our future. Now, I’d like to drill in on shaping distinct and coveted brands. In fiscal 2026, we placed an outsized focus on our three largest brands that represent roughly 70% of revenue. For fiscal 2027, we’re sharpening our go-to-market strategy for these brands and taking action to evolve assortment and product design and elevate the customer experience, both in-store and online. We’re also transforming our approach to marketing to support these efforts. A critical step forward is enhancing the customer experience through redesigning Kay, Zales, and Jared websites. While we operate an effective platform, we recognize that the front-end experience needs improvement.
The redesign for each of these brands will provide customers with a more curated selection informed by their behavior with improved navigation. Our site refresh will better align to a purchase journey that is emotional and highly considered through more intuitive features and design, enhanced product discovery, and improved storytelling. We expect this to be complete by Q3 in order to take full advantage of the holiday shopping season. Additionally, we expect to implement a new content management system next year that will provide further improvements. Moving to the in-store customer experience, we’ve seen an incremental low single-digit comp increase from renovations. Building on this performance, we’re accelerating renovations to touch 30% more stores this year, equating to nearly 10% of the fleet, with a particular focus on brands and markets that represent the best opportunities. These efforts are integrated with marketing campaigns and product activations.
As we look to further differentiate our brands and experiences, both in-store and online, we’ll also be focusing on distinct product design and unique assortment architecture. Along with more frequent and relevant new product, we will continue lowering complexity and duplication through SKU rationalization. These actions are designed to focus on a more productive assortment that leads to other operating efficiencies, ultimately leading to a positive contribution to margin. Our efforts to further distinguish each of our brands will be supported by a transformation of our marketing approach. At the center of this work is a renewed focus on brand-relevant content and storytelling. This is a full-funnel strategy supported by three key levers. First is maximizing key demand periods. Second is generating and amplifying brand moments, and finally is growing a stronger and more engaged social media presence.
Further, we’re taking a more disciplined approach to performance metrics, which will increase accountability to facilitate change faster and create more impactful decision-making. To be clear, this is about an increase in impact, not an increase in budget. This evolution of our go-to-market strategy, built on enhanced customer experience online and in-store, as well as marketing transformation, is designed to drive brand consideration. We believe that each point of increase in purchase consideration across Signet’s brands equates to $100 million of revenue. Summarizing my key takeaways today. First, as we announced last week, we delivered at the high end of our fiscal 2026 guidance range amidst unprecedented tariffs, record gold costs, and a measured consumer, while generating 20% more free cash flow on a simplified operating model.
Second, as we started with positive sales momentum, fiscal 2027 will focus on accelerating core performance through sharper brand differentiation, broader customer reach, and a more seamless in-store and digital experience. With that, I’d like to turn it over to Joan.
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: Thanks, J.K., and good morning, everyone. Before discussing our fourth quarter results, I’d like to comment on our efforts to unlock portfolio value and further achieve benefits of scale. We’ve completed a review of our portfolio and have identified synergies as well as opportunities to integrate standalone smaller brands into brands of size to augment core performance and to focus on brands with higher growth potential. Previously, we were supporting eight distinct independent businesses. We’ve changed our focus to a portfolio of brands with four core engines. This has impacted the way we focus resources, including capital and time. These changes are leveraging scale on the back end more than we have historically and sharpening focus.
To this end, we are aligning select brands within our portfolio to prioritize our larger consumer brands and amplify growth opportunities, maximize the benefits of shared resources, and expand customer reach, all in an effort to drive sustainable comp performance. More specifically, Blue Nile plays a distinct role as a premium brand serving a broader age range with a more affluent customer. We are evolving Blue Nile to achieve an elevated luxury position anchored in the enduring value of natural diamonds. This allows Blue Nile to distinguish itself at the highest end of the Signet portfolio, expanding our customer reach among households with higher income without diluting accessibility to customers across the portfolio. To support our growth aspirations for Blue Nile, we will leverage the James Allen brand as a proprietary collection and transition complementary products and styles to the Blue Nile website.
Over the second quarter, we will be sunsetting the JamesAllen.com site. We also see additional opportunity for other brands within the portfolio to utilize the custom capabilities and technology of James Allen. Further, the Rocksbox private label fashion assortment will become a distinct proprietary collection within Kay. Rocksbox will operate within the Kay team rather than as a standalone brand. We expect the bottom line financial impact from this transition to be minimal. Rounding out our portfolio, the UK brands and Peoples brands are performing well and are generally self-sustaining. At this time, we believe the cash generation from these businesses, as well as the potential tax cost of exiting these brands, significantly outweighs any potential sale proceeds. Finally, we continue to evaluate the long-term role of Banter, our high-margin and capital-light brand, which is currently positioned as mid-value within our portfolio.
To reinforce this brand mindset, we are further centralizing support functions that operate inside brands today to provide for brand leader focus on go-to-market priorities. This change will be most pronounced for digital brands and Diamonds Direct, particularly in our contact centers, as well as in the fulfillment and technology teams. Additionally, to better achieve benefits of scale, we have implemented an integrated diamond sourcing process which will provide better management of our virtual diamond marketplace, drive further vertical integration, and elevate the natural diamond offering available for our brands, particularly Blue Nile. We’ve also established a fully integrated jewelry service network that is now in a position to provide additional capacity for custom services, B2B repair, and repair of jewelry purchased from other retailers. This will build on the momentum we’ve generated in recent years, as well as continue to support the growth of our service plan program.
Operating model optimization also focuses on maximizing the performance of our fleet as we reduce exposure to declining venues and target under-penetrated high-growth trade areas. This strategy includes a learning agenda this year to test new formats, fixtures within formats, and new experiential designs. Our portfolio review, centralization efforts, and fleet optimization, we believe, will further deliver operating efficiency and free cash flow conversion. Now turning to the quarter. Revenue for the quarter was $2.3 billion with a comp decrease of 0.7%. Excluding JamesAllen.com and the net impact of weather, comps grew 1%. November and the first half of December was the slowest period of the quarter, down around 3%. We implemented broader promotions ahead of our high-volume days in December to deliver a positive performance in the back half of the month, with further improvement in January.
By category, this quarter’s results reflect mid-single-digit comp growth in services and low single-digit declines in bridal and fashion. AUR grew 5%, up in all categories. Moving to gross margin, we delivered approximately $1 billion, down roughly 60 basis points. We saw a 30 basis point decrease in merchandise margins to the prior year, reflecting higher commodity costs and tariffs, partially offset by assortment architecture, pricing, and growth in services. Cost reductions allowed us to achieve the high end of our adjusted operating income guidance of $327 million for the quarter. Excluding incentive comp reset, SG&A was roughly flat in rate and dollars. Inclusive of the incentive comp reset, SG&A rate was up roughly 80 basis points.
For the full year fiscal 2026, comp sales grew 1.3%, gross margin expanded 30 basis points, and adjusted operating income grew to $515 million while delivering 7% adjusted diluted EPS growth. Turning to the balance sheet, inventory ended the quarter flat to last year at $1.9 billion. Cash ended the quarter at $875 million, with total liquidity of roughly $2 billion and an undrawn ABL. As a reminder, we consider an excess liquidity at the end of the year over $1.5 billion as available for returns to shareholders or further organic investments. Free cash flow for the year was approximately $525 million, up 20% to last year on higher earnings, lower cash taxes, and working capital efficiency.
As a reminder, our capital allocation priorities are organic growth and return of excess cash to shareholders while maintaining a conservative balance sheet. We repurchased $205 million or more than 3 million shares in fiscal 2026 at an average purchase price of roughly $66. This includes approximately $27 million or nearly 300,000 shares in the fourth quarter. The total repurchases for the year represented more than 7% of shares outstanding. The remaining repurchase authorization at the year-end was approximately $518 million. Now turning to guidance. We are coming into the year with positive momentum and traction in our core brands. The high guide for the year assumes a fairly consistent comp performance quarter to quarter, while the low guide allows for flexibility in consumer spending.
For the full year, we expect the comp sales range to be down 1.25% to up 2.5%, with total revenue between $6.6 billion and $6.9 billion. Total revenue this year will be impacted by $60 million-$80 million of lost sales contribution from the transition of JamesAllen.com. Also, we plan to exclude digital brands from our Q2 through Q4 comp sales reporting as we reposition both JamesAllen.com and Blue Nile. Further, our revenue guidance assumes approximately 100 store closures, leading to a low single-digit decline in square footage. We anticipate merchandise margin rate for the year will be relatively flat at the midpoint of guidance. We believe the combined incremental impact of tariffs and commodity increases is lower than the headwind we mitigated last year.
We also have a longer lead time to address these headwinds with the following actions, select pricing actions related to commodities, reduced off-holiday discounting, increased LGD mix, assortment architecture, and to a lesser degree, benefits from gold hedges. We expect adjusted operating income between $470 million and $560 million. We expect adjusted EPS between $8.80 and $10.74 per share. At the high end of these ranges, we expect to leverage our fixed cost base to drive operating margin expansion. Finally, for the year, we expect $150-$180 million in capital expenditures, inclusive of a somewhat higher spend on our real estate compared to last year. This includes over 200 renovations and up to 20 repositions, as well as up to 10 store openings.
For the first quarter, we expect comp sales range to be up 0.5%-2.5%, with adjusted operating income between $66 million and $77 million. We expect merchandise margins to be somewhat lower in the first quarter, generally offset by leverage in SG&A. Before we turn to Q&A, I’d like to thank the team for delivering strong progress in the first year of our Grow Brand Love strategy, as well as driving the momentum to start fiscal 2027. Now I’d like to turn the call over to questions.
Operator: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have a question, please press the star followed by the one on your touch-tone phone. Should you wish to cancel your request, please press the star followed by the two. Once again, that is star one, should you wish to ask a question. Your first question is from Paul Lejuez from Citigroup. Your line is now open.
Paul Lejuez, Analyst, Citigroup: Hey, thanks, guys. On the gross margin line and just comments right there, Joan, lots of moving pieces. Maybe talk about the headwinds and tailwinds in 1Q. I think you said 1Q would be lower. Which pieces will change as you move throughout the year? Then maybe J.K., can you just talk about what worked over Valentine’s Day, how that compares to what worked during the holiday season, and what were the learnings from this past holiday that you’ll apply to 2026? Thanks.
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: To start with the GMM rate for the year, you know, at the midpoint, what we said is that it would be flat. As we look into the first quarter, we would see a little bit more pressure on the GMM rate as we work through the lapping in Q1 of tariffs as well as the higher commodity prices. We will continue to work with our assortment architecture and, you know, some of the gold hedges and so forth as we progress through the year. The first half definitely has a little bit more pressure, and we believe the back half begins to neutralize in terms of the GMM impact related to tariffs and commodities.
Continue to do much of the same work that was successful for us in the back half of fiscal 26 to work to mitigate the impact of these costs.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: Thanks, Paul. I appreciate the question on holiday and really Valentine’s Day. I mean, you know, our business overall continued to strengthen as we came through the quarter. When you look at Q4 in particular, the softness mapped to what we saw more macro as consumer softness in really November and the first part of, you know, first week or ten days of December. As we got to the peak holiday selling period for us, we saw positive comps in our business, and that momentum continued to build through January and, you know, not only carried through Valentine’s Day but has carried through the quarter.
One of the big learnings, I think, for us from the prior year was really how to focus the assortment over those peak selling days. That actually worked well for us at Christmas and I think was part of what really led to building momentum through the quarter. We certainly carried that muscle memory into Valentine’s Day and were better positioned, and I would actually say better balanced across all of the brands, which is maybe a little different than where we were a year ago.
You know, from a learning standpoint, I do think, you know, despite the macro consumer malaise that was going on with, you know, consumer sentiment and you know, all of the noise in November this past year, I do think we recognize that maybe the quarter kind of falls into three distinct selling periods for us. You know, we’ve been pretty good at post-holiday and have built on that momentum. I think we got better this past year at the peak selling days, those ten days, and the key price points leading into Christmas.
I think we had an opportunity to sharpen our game and how we’re looking forward to plans for this year is, you know, the early selling period in November, absent that noise, is a little bit different consumer. It’s a little bit different price point and a little different selling model digitally than what the balance of the year looks like. It’s a little less assortment-driven, a little more key item-driven, and I think that’s one of the takeaways that we look at that we think can help us strengthen the opportunity for Q4 moving forward.
Paul Lejuez, Analyst, Citigroup: Got it. Thanks. Joan Hilson, just one quick follow-up. The tariff assumptions that you used for the guidance this year and maybe India specifically?
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: Generally speaking on that, for the year, we believe that the tariff and commodity increases are lower than the headwinds that we experienced last year that we mitigated. We have a longer lead time to address with some of the balance actions that I talked about in my prepared remarks. I believe that, you know, we are in a position to, you know, offset a good portion of it. You know, in the guide itself, we would expect GMM rate will be flat at the midpoint with some decline at the low end of the guide.
Paul Lejuez, Analyst, Citigroup: Are you assuming rates equal to the pre-Supreme Court decision, or are you building in where we are now?
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: We’re building in where we are now. You know, essentially it’s a mid-teen rate that we are looking at for the balance of the year. The impact to margin with that is something that we’re able to, we believe, to manage, you know, to a flat position at the midpoint.
Paul Lejuez, Analyst, Citigroup: Thank you. Good luck.
Operator: Thank you. Your next question is from Lorraine Hutchinson from Bank of America. Your line is now open.
Lorraine Hutchinson, Analyst, Bank of America: Thank you. Good morning. Could you give us an update on the lab-grown diamond business? How did it perform over holiday for both fashion and bridal? What did pricing look like for LGD specifically, and then what’s your outlook for the year on this product?
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: Yeah, I mean, I think we’ve gotten to the point where, you know, we see a distinct market for both, Lorraine. You know, if you look at the industry more broadly over the course of the year, there actually was growth in both natural and lab-grown at an industry level. Now, I would say in natural, that skews more towards higher end, and is probably more of an AUR story. That’s certainly what we saw in our business, and where we see there to be greater opportunity. You know, lab-grown diamond fashion in particular continues to grow at a higher rate. You know, I’ll remind you that a lot of that is because diamonds are less penetrated in the fashion category.
You know, maybe differently than we’ve talked about center stone-based bridal and engagement business. In fashion, there’s not a lot of center stone presence, period, let alone diamond. The opportunity for growth there we continue to see as outsized relative to the rest of diamond jewelry. And it’s because it’s stretching a category. But to be clear, you know, as we look at this year, we really see an opportunity for growth in both parts of the business. We see them as distinct value propositions for customers that you know that even overlap with the same customer, depending on use case, let alone you know being a little more price point sensitive, I suppose.
The only other thing I guess I would add, you know, kind of following up on the other part of your question, what’s happening with pricing? We’ve seen it really be stable, I guess would be the word that I would use. Not a lot of volatility. There’s actually, you know, periods during the latter part of the year where we saw the cost side of both actually see some slight increases. I don’t see any. You know, I know one of the questions is how do we think about, you know, deflation or cost pressure on frankly either side of that equation.
We really have seen, you know, stability both on the wholesale cost side as well as on the retail architecture with us and competitors, and, you know, feel like there’s a little more normal run rate in that business today.
Lorraine Hutchinson, Analyst, Bank of America: What was the penetration of lab-grown for holiday in fashion and bridal?
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: The penetration for lab-grown in total, you know, we’re closer to half and half when you look at, we’re under 50% for bridal. When you look at lab-grown fashion, you know, it actually grew to just north of 20%. And on the year, you know, that’s higher than what the run rate was for the year. The year coming into it was probably sitting at about 15%.
Lorraine Hutchinson, Analyst, Bank of America: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Your next question is from Randal Konik from Jefferies. Your line is now open.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers0: Yeah, thanks. I guess, Joan, for you. I think you made a comment in the script that said something to the effect of $2 billion of liquidity. I think you like to have a billion and a half. You know, with the balance sheet having no debt and near $1 billion of cash, and it sounds like this year you’ll be generating another banner year of free cash flow. You know, while you stepped up the buyback in 2025 through 2024, and it looks like the dividend is increasing. You know, could we expect, given that comment of $2 billion versus $1.5 billion, could you get even more aggressive with share repurchases ahead? Just how do you think about that cash flow and putting it to work?
You know, is there anything on the horizon over the next few years that would prevent the business that looks like it’s becoming very, very stable and predictable, from generating around a half a billion dollars of free cash a year going forward into perpetuity? I just wanna get your thoughts there.
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: Mm-hmm.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers0: Thanks.
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: Yeah. Thanks, Randy. As you mentioned, we had a $2 billion liquidity at the end of the year. It’s $500 million over our target. It does provide, you know, some dry powder for us for organic investment. We talked about the capital investment in our fleet. J.K. mentioned the website redesign and some of those technology investments. There’ll be some investment with the Blue Nile transition as well. From an organic investment, we’ll continue to invest in our fleet, the strategic priorities and frankly invest in capabilities that are going to support the go-to-market strategies of our brand. Next is, you know, we want to maintain a conservative balance sheet, but we also find it very important to return capital to shareholders.
As we look forward, you know, we believe shares remain attractive with, you know, an implied, you know, 15% free cash yield on, you know, last year’s free cash flow. There’s nothing in our way to continue to exercise that, you know, capital priorities I just outlined. It’s part of our capital, you know, allocation priorities that are, you know, important, and we’ll continue to do that. Year to date, we’ve, you know, repurchased $45 million or almost 500,000 shares already through March 17. You know, clearly it’s something that we intend to engage in this year. We have $518 million or so of share repurchase authorization available to us at the end of the year.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers0: Got it. Just, let’s say, on the horizon, do you feel like you’re at a place where we can generate this amount of free cash, you know, annually going forward? Or are there any kind of weird impediments in the way that would prevent that?
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: We don’t see anything in our way. We target a very healthy free cash flow conversion. What I would say there is that the components of free cash flow that I articulated in my remarks, Randal Konik, included strong earnings contributing to that, as well as working capital efficiencies, which we came in flat for the year on inventory. We’re continuing to drive. We were flat on turns this year coming out of the fourth quarter. We continue to drive those levers as well as really working with our strategic vendors to maintain that healthy terms that can benefit both of us.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers0: Great. Last question, I guess, for J.K. You talked about SKU productivity or looking at the product architecture and kind of rationalizing you know the number of SKUs it sounds like across the different brands. Can you give us a little bit more perspective on you know a little quantification on where you’re gonna do that? How much, how you think it will help you know drive the business, improve inventory turnover? Just give us a little more color there. It’d be very helpful. Thank you.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: Sure. Thanks for the question, Randy. You know, I just think the more we can leverage scale across the business on those things that are commoditized, the more efficient we can be with inventory, the more we can navigate and frankly some of the moving parts that are the world we’re operating in today. You know, one of the things I’m proudest of as it relates to our team this past year is the work to simplify our operating model, really put us in a position to you know, continue to raise our guide in the face of you know, one hurdle after another relative to tariffs and you know, cost increases, et cetera.
You know, we not only became a stronger business, we actually were a better partner to our suppliers, able to work better together, all with you know, with a more focused inventory assortment. When I look at it, I still think there’s room for us to go. You know, we reduced on the order of magnitude of 20%-ish or so SKUs out of the Kay assortment moving forward as we set on a spring floor set today. I think there’s still opportunity within a business like that.
I think the other, you know, opportunity that may not show up in a total SKU count number, but you know, where we do have items that are a little more commoditized, getting to a similar base, where we’re able to pull from one pool of inventory across multiple brands will make us that much more efficient, will help us leverage cost. Ultimately, you know, that adds up to margin rate opportunity for us moving forward.
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: I would just add to that the core engine, you know, discussion and really focusing on the four major brands, including Blue Nile, will also help us as we roll, you know, a smaller brand, but Rocksbox into Kay and James Allen, you know, into the Blue Nile website and Diamonds Direct, you know, falling under the accessible luxury family within our business, is also gonna help us, Randy, with the SKU rationalization aspect of it and will continue to help us improve our turns. 0.1 turn, you know, is worth $100 million to us, and an improvement is worth $100 million to us in free cash flow.
The teams can really wrap their mind around what that, you know, can help us, you know, drive in our business, ’cause it’s gonna provide room to bring in, you know, fresh receipts and support our fashion strategy as well.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: I think the last point I guess I’d make is, you know, I talked about the places where we should work from a shared pool of inventory. This work also helps us eliminate overlap. Candidly, even as we look at some of the challenges with brands like Blue Nile, JamesAllen.com, you know, the number of SKUs that may overlap and sit in both places, we think causes confusion. It certainly makes us less efficient as a business. We’re not leveraging the flow-through with each of the brands at the rate that we should. You know, there are some known costs, but there’s also some hidden cost opportunities as it relates to margin and frankly, top-line revenue that come with a more focused assortment.
Where we’ve seen that work, we’re seeing the benefit of it. You know, I think what we’re doing to further realign and focus across these four main fronts of our business, if you will to Joan’s point, I think it’s gonna help us be that much better.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers0: Super helpful. Thanks, guys.
Operator: Thank you. Your next question is from Ike Boruchow from Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.
Ike Boruchow, Analyst, Wells Fargo: Hey, everyone, two from me. I don’t know if this is for J.K. or Joan, but can you just talk about some merch margin, understanding what happened in the fourth quarter? You had to get a little bit more promotional when things were off to the tough start. You kinda mentioned merch margins should stay down in the first quarter. It sounds like Valentine’s Day was good, and you guys are positive. Just can you kinda walk us through the puts and takes of selling margin, what you’re doing in the first quarter, and then based on the year, it sounds like you’re expecting things to improve from here. Just so to kinda understand that better.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: Sure. We’ll probably tag team it, to be honest, because I totally understand the question. I would say, you know, at a macro level for Q4, you know, part of the story is promotion, part of the story is tariffs, if I’m really trying to, you know, oversimplify this. I think the reality of, you know, all the moving parts and in particular the way that inventory flows to land for the holidays. We’ve talked about this a bit before. We land goods, we set a base retail price, and then we have follow-on replenishment that comes to give us depth for the holiday. That, you know, that’s always the way it works.
We need to land goods early to establish price because we can’t do anything promotionally unless we’ve established that baseline price. Ike, one of the things that happened this year is, you know, the goal line kept moving in the sense of tariff rates changed as we were going through that process. Part of it is, you know, the starting point you establish in terms of the strategy going into the holiday and the fact that there wasn’t a stable baseline cost to establish those retails against. You know, to your point, when those costs kept moving, you know, we also found ourselves in a situation where the consumer more broadly was softer in November.
You know, the blunt instrument that we really have to flex during that holiday time period is promotion. With as many broad % off promotions as there are in our business, the ability to be, you know, as surgical around mix with all of those variables is just a little more challenged in the period. I would say it’s, you know, it’s partly a choice around promo and partly, you know, the case of, you know, navigating a race where both the path and the finish line kept moving around a little bit on us. You know, I think that, you know, we’re still working through that. Obviously, there’s still some moving parts as it relates to tariff.
I’ll also, you know, remind you of Joan’s comments. I mean, we you know did a nice job of, I think, navigating that unknown this year. We developed that set of muscles as it relates to flexibility in our supply chain and the agility to move, whether it be country of origin or think about, you know, the buy windows that may make sense or how to consolidate and work on costs. We’ll certainly look to those things as we move forward. You know, the benefit or the confidence that we have as it relates to margin, particularly for the year is we’ve got, you know, kinda roughly half the size of headwind, and we’ve got significantly more time to be able to manage it.
I think we’re well-positioned to do it. I think anytime you’ve got that kinda external macro, there’s always the risk of some lumpiness and how it flows through. I’m also really proud of what our team did, you know, to manage it and the way that we’ve built our plan and our business to be able to, you know, protect the bottom line and manage a little bit of that noise in gross merch margins, I think, really positions us well for this year.
Ike Boruchow, Analyst, Wells Fargo: Got it. Thanks. Thank you, J.K. To both of you, more of a modeling question, so maybe for Joan. The comp revenue spreads like 100 basis points in the first quarter. Your transition, you know, you’re sunsetting JamesAllen.com and then removing Blue Nile from the comp base, so that spread widens the rest of the year. Can you just kinda like, just so we all kinda know, like, the puts and takes on how everything should flow comp-store revenue through the year, can you just kinda let us know how this all should take place?
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: As we noted, Q1 will, you know, have the impact of JamesAllen.com in the comp. As we progress through Q2, Q3, and Q4, because of the amount of effort and change, repositioning with the Blue Nile brand and then the sunsetting of JamesAllen.com, we’re pulling them out of comps as we progress through the year. The impact of JamesAllen.com was roughly a point in Q4, a little over a point, and the impact in Q1 we would expect to be similar. As we, you know, look through the balance of the year, it’s early to, you know, kind of forecast what we think the impact would be, which is one of the reasons why, you know, we wanna take it out of the comp.
What I mentioned is that 60-80 million comes out of revenue, and that would likely be, you know, $20 million-$30 million of top-line revenue over the course of the balance of the year. If that helps to mention it, that’s how we’re thinking about it internally. Working to transition as much volume as we can from the JamesAllen.com brand over to Blue Nile, where appropriate, with the complementary SKUs and the proprietary JamesAllen.com selection.
The teams are doing a fantastic job in navigating this year for us in the first quarter and then leveraging the James Allen capabilities and a brand, you know, the tip of the spear there will be with Kay, where we can see more custom product coming in the Kay brand because they’re now. They will be able to more so in the back half of the year to leverage the custom capability that James Allen provides. That’s the dimension of the revenue. That’s how we’re thinking about it.
Ike Boruchow, Analyst, Wells Fargo: Can you-
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: Just to bear in mind. Go ahead.
Ike Boruchow, Analyst, Wells Fargo: No, I’m sorry. Can you quantify just the size of Blue Nile since you’re removing it from the comp base for the year, just so we know how to like kinda model that impact?
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: What we said is that it’s $60 million-$80 million coming out. Last year, the total revenue was, you know, roughly, you know, $150-ish million dollars. Oh, Blue Nile, sorry. Rob is remind-
Ike Boruchow, Analyst, Wells Fargo: Yes, Blue Nile.
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: Reinforcing the question you asked. It’s $350 million for Blue Nile. JamesAllen.com-
Ike Boruchow, Analyst, Wells Fargo: Okay.
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: It’s, you know, what I had articulated. Trying to move as much of JamesAllen.com over to Blue Nile as we can and then expand into the other brands.
Ike Boruchow, Analyst, Wells Fargo: Got it. Thanks a lot.
Operator: Thank you. Your next question is from Jefferies from Stephens. Your line is now open.
Jeff Stein, Analyst, Stephens: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question, and congrats on a great year and a great start to this year. J.K. or Joan, I was wondering if I just kinda formulate a, you know, a simple mental model of, you know, in this past year, you generated $687 million of EBITDA on $6.8 billion of revenue. You take, call it the $40 million of kinda still wrapping around from the Grow Brand Love that you still have of the $100 million. If you just use your math of the SG&A that you disclosed, that implies that incentive comp’s about $17 million, so call it $57 million. If you add that to the 687, that gets you to about $744 million of EBITDA just.
I just think about it as if you just do what you did last year, you come pretty close to making your high end of your EBITDA guidance. Obviously, you guys have a high end of your revenue guidance at $6.9. Could you just walk through the puts and takes, you know, of that model and, you know, how, you know, where I might be off, or, you know, what’s gonna be harder, what’s not gonna be as hard?
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: Yeah. On the full year, we expect from a modeling perspective, we expect at the midpoint, you know, margins to be flat. We see on the high end of guide, you know, a modest increase in merchandise margin and at the low end, a modest decrease. Where we begin to get, you know, some leverage is in the SG&A, and you know, believe that what we’ve been able to do there is, with the wraparound of the cost savings in the front half of the year, which was roughly, you know, $40 million, $15 million in the first quarter, Jeff, and then in the second and third quarters, we would tend to see more of that flow through because some of it relates to contracts and that.
We feel very good about the $40 million SG&A wrap. We also, from a business perspective, the way that the brands really position their plans for this year is, you know, we focus on comp growth, but we focus on flow-through. Each brand must deliver different levels of flow-through based on their, you know, the type of product they sell. Brands that sell more loose goods as opposed to finished goods will have a different margin structure, merchandise margin structure than those that don’t. We balance flow-through, and we feel very good about how the businesses operate and the discipline in the business on the SG&A side.
Really leveraging SG&A here in the face of what, you know, is more of a flattish margin for a gross margin for the year is the structure of our model as we look at fiscal 2027. The teams are very well aligned. I’d remind you that on a slightly positive comp sales, we can leverage gross margin. On a low single digit comp sales, we leverage SG&A and EBIT. That’s the structure that our teams operate within, and we’re all aligned.
Jeff Stein, Analyst, Stephens: Just a quick follow-up, Joan, just a point of clarification. Did you say a 0.1 increase in turn? I mean, because I think you guys are a little under 2, so call it 1.9 going to 2. That would equate to a $100 million increase in free cash flow, which I guess given what you’re doing, what you did last year, that would mean a 20% increase in free cash flow. Is that roughly right?
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: Yes, as we you know begin to turn our inventory. Now, doing that is you know in the face of of you know inventory transition, as you know, J.K. was articulating. What the teams are doing is really leveraging that muscle to bring in and transition the assortment. Yes, that’s what the math would say.
Jeff Stein, Analyst, Stephens: Great. Thanks very much, and best of luck in 2026.
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: Thank you.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Your next question is from John Coffey from Oppenheimer & Co., Inc. Your line is now open.
John Coffey, Analyst, Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.: Hey, good morning. Thank you, guys. Just a quick bookkeeping question. You’d mentioned sourcing and ops coming out of the UAE. Just given everything that’s happening, just wondering if you’re seeing any impact or if you’ve been able to pivot fairly quickly. Then, tacking on to that kind of similar topic, anything you’re seeing from a cost of crude in terms of how maybe sourcing freight, that kind of thing is flowing through?
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: Yeah. Appreciate the question. The short answer is no, we really haven’t seen anything. You know, the longer answer is, you know, on the supply chain side, you know, I mean, you know, we don’t have tons of trailers moving back and forth. I mean, you know, we got high value inventory, and it’s pretty small cubes. You know, I’ve worked in every category of retail. I can honestly tell you this is the first time that I have not actually looked at the price of oil and worried about what the freight cost was gonna be, you know, to me from a supply chain standpoint. You know, we’re in good shape there.
I would say more broadly on the disruption front, you know, we have built a much more flexible supply chain in really in advance of all of the mitigation efforts around tariffs. The flexibility and redundancy that we’ve built in to being able to source goods from multiple countries, including increased flexibility here in the U.S. around, you know, what we choose to cast or make, you know, finish here, is stronger than where we were a year ago, and we’re really well positioned. I say all that, we also haven’t seen any disruption, you know, as it relates to goods, you know, certainly for Valentine’s Day, for Mother’s Day receipts.
I mean, any of those countries that may be in that, you know, sort of flight path or adjacent to any of those areas. We’ve actually been able to manage it all fine. No. You know, nothing to call out. I know there’s been a few articles that have surfaced, but to be honest, we’re not seeing that in the industry either. I think we’re really well positioned to navigate, you know, the environment we’re operating in and don’t really, you know, see it as an issue.
John Coffey, Analyst, Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.: Got it. Thank you. Then just to follow on that, you had mentioned, I think last week that Zales was a little bit weaker out of the big three. I’m just wondering what’s driving that and where if that’s evolved at all or where I guess where you see that kind of panning out for the year. Thank you.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: Yeah. Yeah, appreciate it. Actually, the good news is, you know, the Zales business, I think, has refocused. We’ve seen strength through Valentine’s into the quarter and, you know, return to more of the normal run rate within that business. I think, you know, part of the challenge of Q4 was a little bit more distorted exposure to, you know, a middle income and lower income customer in November, and that’s certainly, I think, part of the story. I do think there are some things as we work through assortment transition of that business where we could focus, you know, key items around selling period better.
That you know there’s some adjustments that we can make that’ll actually strengthen the business that maybe got exposed by some of that consumer pressure. In particular, I think the one thing we learned was you know we built an essentials program that really was less promotional and a little more baseline price driven, and that works really well during the year. But that gift-giving customer that plays at the lower end price points in our business really does look for promotion during the quarter and building a little more promotional assortment to supplement what we do on our base assortment, I think is something that’ll actually strengthen the holiday selling period for Zales, absent all the other macro stuff that was going on.
John Coffey, Analyst, Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.: Nice. That sounds good. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Your next question is from Mauricio Serna from UBS. Your line is now open.
Mauricio Serna, Analyst, UBS: Great. Good morning. Thanks for taking our questions. Maybe could you start by speaking on what your quarter to date looks like relative to your guidance for the quarter? Then as you look into your outlook for the year, like, how should we think about bridal versus fashion growth? Same question, how are you think about AUR versus unit growth? Thank you.
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: We’re off to a really good start on the top line this year in the first quarter with the comps that we saw at Valentine’s Day continue through the quarter. All of our core brands and most of our smaller brands are running plus comps quarter to date. JamesAllen.com, as I mentioned earlier, continues to be compressing the comp in the quarter. We feel very good about what we’re seeing in the quarter and believe we have, you know, real momentum coming into the year.
I think for the year, as we think about bridal and fashion, on a comp basis, I mean, we really think on the high end, we’re sitting at looking at, you know, a low single digit, you know, sales comp and fashion, similar. We continue to expect to see, you know, AUR up over the course of the year, which, you know, with some, you know, compression on unit performance with that. We are, you know, we believe positioned to start the year for, you know, good selling within our assortments and believe we have the inventory in most of our brands, in the right, you know, composition to drive business.
Mauricio Serna, Analyst, UBS: Understood. Just to follow up on, you know, maybe specifically on holiday, given your learnings on what happened, you know, with last fourth quarter, how are you thinking about growth in holiday when I look at your low and high end of the guidance? Also just digging into one of your comments on, the merchandise margin, you talked about off holiday promotional strategy. Maybe could you speak on like, if promotions are gonna be, you know, either a tailwind or a headwind this year, and maybe how does that vary according to maybe like which quarter we’re in? You know, maybe more promotions in Q4. Just thinking about like, yeah, like promotions, if it’s like a tailwind or a headwind for this year merchandise margin. Thank you again.
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: The comment we made earlier is that, you know, our guide assumes a fairly consistent quarter-on-quarter comp, you know, for the year and at the high end. At the low end, we’ve given ourselves some room, or some flexibility for the consumer macro. The comment that we made around re-discounting is really off holiday discounting, recognizing that, to J.K.’s comments, that, you know, holiday high selling at holiday is different than, you know, the balance of the year for us. We see the opportunity throughout, you know, the 10 months of the year to reduce discounting, take select price actions as it relates to commodities, which, you know, we do throughout the year. You know, mindful of compliance on, you know, reset periods and so forth.
Then really leaning into the assortment architecture, which includes, you know, mix of products that carry a higher margin. Fashion with LGD is one of those opportunities and continues to be so, and the teams are very focused on a balanced assortment there at the right price points. Then as well, in the natural diamond space, we see, you know, opportunities across price points. We’re managing architecture, and then the assortment that way to really look at the year with a, you know. At the midpoint, we’re looking at flat margin with, you know, trying to leverage the SG&A line to mitigate any pressure that we might see on our gross margin.
Mauricio Serna, Analyst, UBS: Got it. Understood. Thank you so much.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: Yeah. Thanks, Mauricio.
Operator: Thank you. Your next question is from Jim Sanderson from Northcoast Research. Your line is now open.
Jim Sanderson, Analyst, Northcoast Research: Hey, thanks for the question. Just following up on the previous discussion about average unit revenues and unit volumes. Can you walk through the math, so to speak, for your expectations for the bridal category with respect to units and AUR?
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: What I mentioned is that, you know, we saw at a comp level, bridal, would be a low single-digit up or down for the year. That, you know, that’s the guide assumption underneath our top-line assumption. Then, you know, units would be at the high end. Given the AUR growth, we would see a low single-digit decline at the high end and a potential of a mid-single-digit decline, excuse me, at the low end of that guide.
Jim Sanderson, Analyst, Northcoast Research: Understood. Thank you for that. Just wanted to shift over briefly to your real estate portfolio strategy. You’ve got low single-digit declines in square footage, but how does that convert or play a role in the revenue guidance you’ve gotten? Is there some recapture there from remodels as well? Just how we should think of that?
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: Yeah. I mean, J.K. mentioned it in his prepared remarks that, you know, we’re seeing nice lift in our renovation plan that we’ve been engaged in. We’ve really increased that to include 10% of the fleet this year, really targeted towards growth markets, which in an effort to really drive as much increment in top line as we can. Those investments are focused on the brands that are further along, which Jared is, you know, has a significant investment this year. We’re also investing in Kay in markets where we really want to protect and grow volume. Those are reflected in our view of, you know, revenue for the year. I think that the.
As well as the low single digit decline in you know square footage is also reflected, Jim, in our outlook.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: Yeah, it is. The only thing I’d add is on the low single-digit decline in square footage. It’s disproportionately weighted to Banter kiosk. I mean, you know, it is a much lower impact as you think about revenue overall and pretty focused in that regard. I think really thoughtful strategy to, you know, trim the places that are, you know, frankly not productive, and then to focus the investment in the areas where we can get outsized returns and know that there’s more opportunity for growth.
Jim Sanderson, Analyst, Northcoast Research: All right. That will be, those closures will be evenly spread throughout the year for the most part, so is that the right way to look at that?
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: Ye-
Joan Hilson, Chief Operating and Financial Officer, Signet Jewelers: Well, they’ll be invested pre-holiday. We wanna get it all done before holiday, so yeah.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: Between now and Q3, I would say is the way to think about it, Jim.
Jim Sanderson, Analyst, Northcoast Research: All right. Understood. Last question for me. You’ve got a very strong cash position, balance sheet. Any change in philosophy on M&A as you look to opportunities going forward?
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: No, not at all. I mean, we continue to really see the opportunity to create value, you know, balanced between two decision points. You know, first and foremost, we’re gonna continue to look for ways to invest in organic growth in the business and gain some leverage and strength against a stronger core. And you know, as Joan dimensionalized in her comments, we also see opportunities to return capital to shareholders via buyback and are balancing those two things, you know, as we look forward, but also see some great opportunities for organic growth ahead.
Jim Sanderson, Analyst, Northcoast Research: Very good. Thank you very much.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: You bet. Thanks for the question.
Operator: Thank you.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: With that, oh, go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I will now hand the call back to J.K. Symancyk for the closing remarks.
J.K. Symancyk, Chief Executive Officer, Signet Jewelers: Okay. Thank you. Listen, folks, I’ll close the way that I started today, and that’s by thanking our team. This was a year that tested agility and discipline, and our people delivered, staying focused on the quarter, executing Grow Brand Love, and living our purpose of inspiring love. I’m so proud of what our team accomplished and the momentum that we built heading into fiscal 27. Thank you for your time this morning, and we look forward to speaking again next quarter. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. The conference has now ended. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect your line.