National Fuel Gas Company Q2 Fiscal 2026 Earnings Call - Record EPS Driven by Winter Price Spikes and Strategic Pipeline Expansions
Summary
National Fuel Gas delivered a robust second quarter with adjusted EPS of $2.71, up 13% year-over-year, fueled by record earnings in its natural gas marketing and hedging portfolio. The company capitalized on the extended cold snap in January and February, capturing premium prices while maintaining operational resilience across its integrated upstream and gathering assets. Despite weather-driven production headwinds that reduced quarterly volumes by 5 Bcf, the firm generated $160 million in free cash flow and reaffirmed its commitment to disciplined capital allocation and steady dividend growth.
Management highlighted strong execution across its regulated pipeline and utility segments, with two major expansion projects under construction and a new rate case filing expected to drive FY2027 revenue growth. The pending acquisition of CenterPoint in Ohio remains on track for a Q4 closing, supported by a healthy balance sheet and expanded credit facilities. Upstream, Seneca Resources is validating next-generation well designs that promise higher deliverability and improved returns, while long-term marketing strategy shifts focus toward premium Gulf Coast and Mid-Atlantic markets to secure durable price realizations.
Key Takeaways
- Adjusted EPS of $2.71, up 13% year-over-year, marks a second consecutive quarter of double-digit growth and keeps the company on track for its multi-year 10%+ annual target.
- Record upstream EBITDA exceeded $300 million, driven by higher natural gas prices during Winter Storm Elliott and a strategic marketing portfolio that captured winter premium realizations.
- Production guidance for the full year was reduced by 3% at the midpoint to 425-440 Bcfe due to weather-related road closures and delayed flowbacks, though long-term growth remains intact.
- Curtailment thresholds remain well below current prices, with management indicating volumes are still flowing at prices north of $2/MMBtu and only curtailment occurs below $1.
- Line N System Upgrade Project adds 94,000 decatherms/day of subscribed capacity with a $93 million investment, combining revenue growth with critical pipe modernization by late 2028.
- Two major pipeline expansions, Shippingport Lateral and Tioga Pathway, are on track for November 2026 service dates, positioning the company to capture growth in behind-the-meter and PJM power generation demand.
- CenterPoint acquisition in Ohio is progressing toward a Q4 closing, with HSR clearance complete and regulatory filings underway, supported by plans to raise up to $1.5 billion in financing.
- Seneca Resources is validating Gen 4 well designs and Upper Utica locations, which show strong productivity compared to older designs, though full transition to Gen 4 remains dependent on integrated return optimization.
- Free cash flow of approximately $160 million underscores the company's ability to fund growth, return capital to shareholders, and maintain a debt-to-EBITDA ratio below 2x pre-acquisition.
- Long-term natural gas outlook remains constructive, with management targeting a $3-$5/MMBtu Henry Hub range and expanding firm transportation capacity to Gulf Coast and Mid-Atlantic markets by 50% over the next few years.
Full Transcript
Karina, Conference Call Operator: Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us, and welcome to the National Fuel Gas Company second quarter fiscal 2026 earnings call. After today’s prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. I will now hand the conference over to Natalie M. Fischer, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Natalie M. Fischer, Director of Investor Relations, National Fuel Gas Company: Thank you, Karina. Good morning. We appreciate you joining us on today’s conference call for a discussion of last evening’s earnings release. With us on the call from National Fuel Gas Company are David P. Bauer, President and Chief Executive Officer; Timothy J. Silverstein, Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer; and Justin I. Loweth, President of Seneca Resources and National Fuel Midstream. At the end of today’s prepared remarks, we will open the discussion to questions. The second quarter fiscal 2026 earnings release and April investor presentation have been posted on our investor relations website. We may refer to these materials during today’s call. We’d like to remind you that today’s teleconference will contain forward-looking statements. While National Fuel’s expectations, beliefs, and projections are made in good faith and are believed to have a reasonable basis, actual results may differ materially.
These statements speak only as of the date on which they are made, and you may refer to last evening’s earnings release for a listing of certain specific risk factors. With that, I’ll turn it over to David P. Bauer.
David P. Bauer, President and Chief Executive Officer, National Fuel Gas Company: Thank you, Natalie. Good morning, everyone. National Fuel had a solid second quarter with adjusted earnings per share of $2.71, an increase of 13% from last year. This continues our streak of double-digit EPS growth and keeps us on track to achieve our multi-year 10% plus average annual growth target. I am also happy to report that during the quarter, we achieved additional milestones across the system that further bolster our long-term earnings outlook. Our second quarter was a prime example of the strong operational resiliency of our natural gas assets, particularly during severe weather events. In January and February, we experienced an extended cold snap across our operating footprint, where daily low temperatures in some of our regions were below freezing for 19 straight days.
A big thank you to our dedicated workforce and contractors who worked through the elements to ensure that the gas continued to flow during this critical time. Overall, our systems held up extremely well with no notable issues at our utility and pipeline and storage businesses. On the non-regulated side, our production and gathering facilities performed very well with limited freeze-offs. This allowed us to take advantage of some of the strong prices we saw on the coldest days. We did, however, experience some regional road closures over multiple days due to heavy snowfall. During this stretch of weather, we slowed the pace of completions and delayed the flow back of a new pad, which had a modest impact on our production for the quarter and will similarly impact full year production.
On the drilling and completion side, we continue to focus on the optimization of our integrated development program. We’ve made substantial progress on the testing of both our Gen 4 well designs and our Upper Utica locations and are seeing continued success, which further enhances our long-term outlook. With decades of core inventory locations, a growing marketing portfolio, and ongoing improvements in capital efficiency, our integrated upstream and gathering business is positioned to deliver meaningful production and free cash flow growth for years to come. Justin will provide additional details later in the call. Our outlook for the regulated businesses is also strong. Starting with the pipeline and storage segment, we continue to develop new expansion opportunities on our Line N system, which is well-positioned to support both behind-the-meter generation that’s co-located with data centers and the broader need for electric generation within PJM.
Last week, we executed a proceeding agreement on a new expansion opportunity that we’re calling the Line N System Upgrade Project. This project has a dual benefit for us. First, it adds 94,000 decatherms a day of incremental transportation capacity, all of which was subscribed under a long-term contract with an investment grade counterparty. Second, the project allows us to modernize a key 6-mile portion of pipe, ensuring the continued reliability and integrity of that part of our system. The project has an estimated capital cost of $93 million, approximately 70% of which relates to the modernization component of the project. It’s expected to go in service in late calendar 2028.
This quarter, construction commenced on our Shippingport Lateral and Tioga Pathway expansion projects, both of which are on track to meet their November 2026 target and service dates. Lastly, today, Supply Corporation is filing a new rate case with FERC that seeks an approximately $95 million increase to our cost of service. Our filing proposes a modernization tracker to support the ongoing investment in the safety and reliability of the system. We expect this proceeding to play out along the typical timeline and hope to reach a settlement sometime this fall, with new rates going into effect late in the calendar year. Between the rate case and 2 expansion projects, FY 2027 should be a period of significant growth at our pipeline and storage business.
Moving to the utility, customer affordability remains top of mind. We continue to work closely with our regulators to ensure we can continue to invest in the modernization of our system while keeping rates reasonable. Our delivery rates are the lowest in both states, and we’re doing our best to keep it that way. In New York, we’re in year 2 of our 3-year rate plan, which runs through the end of fiscal 2027. As we look beyond 2027, we have over a decade of remaining modernization investments at our current replacement pace. Over the coming months, we’ll be proactively working on a solution to recover these important future investments. In Pennsylvania, our rate case is progressing as expected. Testimony from staff and other intervening parties was filed a few weeks ago.
We’ll file rebuttal testimony in May and expect to commence settlement discussions over the summer. Given our modest rate increase request, we’re optimistic we’ll reach a settlement by the fall. I expect discussions will be constructive. As I said, our rates are the lowest in the state and would continue to be the lowest even if we receive the full $20 million increase we’ve requested. Turning to Ohio, the CenterPoint acquisition is on track for a calendar fourth quarter closing. In January, we made our HSR filing, the required waiting period has since passed, completing that regulatory process. In addition, we’ve given notice of the acquisition to the Public Utilities Commission of Ohio and expect an order from the commission in late spring or early summer. Tim will have more on the acquisition later in the call.
Before closing, a quick word on energy policy in New York State, where we continue to see a growing recognition of the practical role natural gas must play in the state’s energy future. While New York remains committed to its long-term climate objectives, recent proposals from Governor Hochul and the adoption of the state energy plan reflect a more balanced common sense approach. Policy makers are increasingly focused on maintaining reliability, protecting affordability for customers, and ensuring the system can perform during peak demand periods, particularly during winter weather events. Those discussions underscore what we’ve long believed, the existing natural gas system remains essential, to serving homes and businesses and supporting electric grid reliability and will continue to be a critical part of New York’s energy mix for decades.
In closing, National Fuel is well-positioned to deliver steady growth in earnings and cash flow in the years ahead. We have a great set of integrated upstream and gathering assets with multiple decades of high-quality development inventory. Our midstream infrastructure is strategically located to provide key support to the significant growth in natural gas-fired electric generation expected in the region. We have a growing base of utility earnings that’ll be further enhanced with the completion of our pending Ohio LDC acquisition. Taken together, the National value proposition is as strong as it’s ever been. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Tim.
Timothy J. Silverstein, Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer, National Fuel Gas Company: Thanks, Dave. Good morning, everyone. National Fuel had record earnings per share in the second quarter, driven in large part by the strength of our natural gas marketing and hedging portfolio. We’ve intentionally positioned this portfolio to capture meaningful upside from higher winter prices. We saw that come to fruition in late January and February. Combining this with the steady growth of our regulated businesses, National Fuel’s adjusted earnings per share increased 13% for the quarter. We also generated approximately $160 million in free cash flow. This unique combination of EPS growth and significant free cash flow generation differentiates National Fuel from many of our peers. Diving a bit deeper into the results for the quarter, first, in the integrated upstream and gathering segment, price realizations were up more than $0.50 per Mcf or nearly 20%.
While we convert a lot of our marketing portfolio to NYMEX-linked prices, we maintain a bit more exposure in the winter months to markets that have the potential for premium prices as demand spikes. That exposure provided a great tailwind during the quarter. Pairing that with the skew towards collars in the winter months, we were able to capture a nice benefit during the extended cold snap. On the production side, results came in slightly below expectations. As Dave mentioned, the system held up well during the challenging weather. Road closures impacted our operations, which reduced production for the quarter. Overall, this had a 5 Bcf impact in the quarter. Our per-unit gathering O&M came in slightly above expectations. This was a result of a new preventative maintenance strategy we deployed on several compressors. In the normal course, we take compressors out of service to perform maintenance.
However, in certain instances, it is more beneficial to swap in a new engine to minimize downtime and upgrade the technology. There is minimal cost to doing this, but the accounting rules require us to write down the remaining net book value of the unit being replaced. As a result, we recorded a larger than normal expense during the quarter. We now expect gathering O&M to be $0.01 higher at $0.12 per Mcf for the full year. Going the other direction, upstream LOE is expected to be $0.01 lower. On a combined basis, we don’t see any impact on our cost structure. On the regulated side of the business, results were ahead of expectations as we continue to see strong execution across the board.
Turning to guidance, the biggest change for the remainder of the year relates to our NYMEX price assumption, which we are now projecting to be $3 per MMBtu, down from $3.75. With the lower pricing, we are also seeing modestly tighter basis differentials over that same period, which we now project to be $0.80 below NYMEX. We are approximately 75% hedged for the rest of the year, with the bulk of that in the form of swaps and fixed-price sales. This provides price certainty, which lessens the impact of the lower expected pricing on our earnings guidance, which we now project to be in the range of $7.45-$7.75 per share. At the midpoint, this represents a 10% increase over last year.
Embedded in our assumptions are a few other changes, including production guidance, which we now expect to be 425 to 440 Bcfe for the full year. This is down 3% from our prior guidance range. At the midpoint, it’s still expected to be up relative to last year. Longer term, our outlook for production growth remains intact. As a reminder, our guidance does not assume any price-related curtailments. Thus far since winter, we haven’t curtailed any volumes. To the extent we see material in-basin pricing declines, we may decide to do so. At the midpoint of guidance, our spot exposure is limited to approximately 30 Bcf, which minimizes the potential impact on earnings and cash flows for the year. Lastly, on our fiscal 2026 outlook, we’ve increased our guidance for pipeline and storage segment revenues.
During the quarter, as colder weather settled in, we were able to take advantage of the increased demand. We also saw higher revenues tied to a tracker on electric costs, but those are fully offset in O&M. There were a couple additional tweaks to a few guidance assumptions, all of which are highlighted in our earnings release and IR presentation. Switching to capital, our guidance remains the same. We are trending towards the higher end of those ranges. In the regulated subsidiaries, we have had great success with our modernization programs and are ahead of schedule on our plans for the year. With our pending rate proceedings, we expect to obtain timely recovery for this spending. Our 2 pipeline expansion projects are on track as well, both from a timing and budget perspective.
The bulk of construction season is still ahead of us, so things may move around a bit as we work through the rest of the fiscal year. Justin will have more on non-regulated spending in a minute. Overall, our balance sheet is in great shape. We still anticipate generating a significant amount of free cash flow, more than enough to cover our growing dividend and reduce absolute leverage before closing our Ohio LDC acquisition. We expect to end the year below 2 times debt to EBITDA and approach 50% FFO to debt. This leaves us in a comfortable position to achieve our target of mid 2 times debt to EBITDA after the first full year post-closing. Sticking with the acquisition, things are moving along well. With the HSR process behind us, our focus is on the notice filing in Ohio.
We’ve had several discussions with commission staff over the past few months, and we expect to complete this process well in advance of closing. Our teams are also working diligently to prepare for an efficient transition of the business, and we are confident that it will be a smooth process for customers. We are also taking the necessary steps to position ourselves to complete the remaining permanent financing prior to closing. We are working to finalize the necessary pro forma financial statements, which we anticipate wrapping up shortly. Once those are ready, we will start to evaluate the market to find the right window to raise the remaining $1 billion we need at closing. We also plan to refinance our $300 million October maturity and term out a portion of the term loan that we temporarily repaid with the proceeds from our equity issuance completed last December.
All told, we expect to raise up to $1.5 billion across multiple tranches. We also recently upsized our committed credit facility, which now provides $1.3 billion of borrowing capacity to support our growing operations. This was well supported by our bank group and provides us with additional financial flexibility in the future. In conclusion, we expect 2026 to be a key inflection point for National Fuel. We are leveraging our interstate pipeline assets and commercial relationships to significantly expand the FERC-regulated businesses. We have two critical expansion projects under construction and another expansion announced yesterday. Our Ohio LDC acquisition will provide a further avenue for stable, regulated growth. Lastly, a strong balance sheet and significant free cash flow generated by our non-regulated businesses provides the foundation upon which we can deliver further growth.
Combining this with our commitment to consistently return an increasing amount of cash to shareholders, National Fuel is positioned to create value for years to come. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Justin.
Justin I. Loweth, President of Seneca Resources and National Fuel Midstream, National Fuel Gas Company: Thanks, Tim. Good morning, everyone. Our integrated upstream and gathering segment had a solid second quarter, delivering record EBITDA of more than $300 million, driven by net production of 102 Bcf and higher natural gas prices during Winter Storm Elliott. Through the severe weather conditions, our team and integrated upstream and gathering facilities performed exceptionally well with minimal downtime due to freeze-offs. That said, the heavy snowfall and extreme cold in January and February closed roads, which slowed completions and delayed flowback on a new pad. These weather-driven factors modestly impacted production during the quarter and are expected to have a similar effect on fiscal year production as volumes shift into future periods.
In addition, last fall, we turned in line a 6-well pad in Northwest Tioga in a separate fault block, which included an Upper Utica well and a Lower Utica Gen 4 test, along with 4 older design wells. The 4 wells with older style designs are underperforming our projections. This pad was strategically drilled about 18 months ago, in part to hold an almost 20,000-acre parcel of land, prior to our 3D seismic shoot and incorporation of that data into our broader subsurface model. Today, we have the benefit of an integrated subsurface model and significant other attributes across the vast majority of our core development area, which we expect will lead to superior outcomes going forward. Going the other way, the Gen 4 and Upper Utica wells on the pad are demonstrating strong productivity in line with our expectations.
While the older design wells will modestly impact our production estimate for the balance of fiscal 26, the Gen 4 and Upper Utica results, along with our deep understanding of the subsurface, reinforce our confidence in this area and optimal future well design. Overall, we are reducing fiscal 26 production guidance by 3% at the midpoint to a range of 425-440 Bcf to account for the expected impact of these items. Despite this modest adjustment, we remain confident in durable mid-single-digit production growth over the next several years. Across our operations, we remain focused on continuous improvement and are advancing our testing program to further optimize well design and understand productivity drivers across our core area. During the quarter, our 2 best performing Tioga Utica pads to date, Bower and Taft, reached cumulative production of 130 Bcf.
The 12 wells across these pads, 10 of which incorporated Gen 3 and Gen 4 designs, and 2 of which are Upper Utica wells, were turned in line in late 2024 and produced at rate constrained levels of 25 million-30 million per day for an extended period. We estimate they will deliver about 900 million per 1,000 foot in 18 months, among the best results in the basin. Turning to development activity during Q2, we turned in line our 1st Tioga co-development pad with 3 Upper and 3 Lower Utica wells, and we have another pad planned to come online toward the end of the fiscal year. On this pad, we also utilized production facilities that allowed us to flow a single Tioga Utica well, rate constrained at 40 million per day, well above the 25 million-30 million per day we held on Bower and Taft.
It’s early. This is an encouraging data point. The team is doing a great job expanding what we believe is possible on well deliverability. Finally, at the very end of the quarter, we began flowing back our first fully bounded Lower Utica Gen 4 pad with a total of 5 wells. Expanding the capacity of our surface equipment, understanding co-development influences, and building confidence in optimal well design are key components of our continuous improvement focus. Pulling it all together, these data points inform our long-term development planning. We’ll remain deliberate in testing variables and applying what we learn to further optimize the program over time. Turning to capital, we’re maintaining our prior guidance of $560 million-$610 million. Our drilling team is driving efficiencies that may result in more wells being drilled this year.
While this is very positive and reduces our cost per foot, it has the potential to bring forward capital. On the land side, we’ve been extremely active, making a number of strategic moves to further bolster our acreage position, given our confidence in the Utica resource. We are also seeing emerging cost headwinds tied to the conflict in Iran, particularly higher oil and diesel prices flowing through drilling, completions, and logistics, especially long-haul intensive activities. Altogether, these items have us trending towards the high end of the range. In our gathering operations, construction activities are well underway, with seasonal pipeline and infrastructure construction expected to continue into the summer months. Near-term activity continues to support Seneca’s production growth while advancing opportunities for incremental third-party volumes in Tioga County. We have multiple projects underway to expand pipeline and compression capacity in our core area.
Throughput continues to track Seneca’s production closely with third-party volume steady and in line with our full year projections. Turning to the broader natural gas outlook, we are bullish on the long-term setup and see fundamental supportive of higher prices over time. LNG exports are near record levels of around 20 Bcf per day, with additional capacity coming online. Recent global events continue to highlight the value of reliable, low-cost U.S. natural gas. Domestically, demand is building in the Northeast and the Mid-Atlantic regions, driven by gas-fired power generation, data centers, and AI-related load growth. At the same time, producer discipline is keeping supply growth in check, particularly in Appalachia, where peer curtailments are effectively limiting near-term volumes in excess of demand.
Overall, we expect a more balanced market and improving long-term price realizations for high-quality Appalachian supply, especially for operators with strong market access and flexibility like Seneca. Against this backdrop, we’re executing our multi-year marketing strategy to reach premium markets and add flexibility, both in basin and out of basin. Over the next few years, we expect total firm transport capacity to grow approximately 50% to more than 1.5 Bcf per day. Just this month, we gained access to our new 50 million per day of firm transportation that reaches the Gulf Coast. During the second quarter, we added another 50 million per day of long-term firm capacity along the same route that will go in service over the next few years, doubling our Gulf Coast exposure over time on similarly attractive terms.
Our inventory depth in Northeast Pennsylvania, which is arguably deeper than any peer in the region, positions us well to be a disciplined acquirer of transportation capacity as it becomes available. With increasing access to the Gulf, the soon to go in service Tioga Pathway Project and the EGT Project Stratum, which reaches premium markets in Western Pennsylvania and Leidy Hub, we’re taking strategic steps to support long-term growth through valuable pipeline capacity contracts. We see additional opportunities ahead and remain confident in our ability to deliver growth at premium price realizations over time. In closing, the underlying strength of our asset base is clear. Our testing program continues to validate acreage depth and quality and will help optimize development for years to come. We’ve remained disciplined on capital despite emerging headwinds, and our recent marketing and midstream investments support future growth and greater access to premium markets.
Overall, we remain well-positioned to deliver durable production growth, increasing free cash flow and long-term value for our stakeholders. With that, I’ll turn it back to the operator to open the line for questions.
Karina, Conference Call Operator: We now turn the line open for questions. Apologies. Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, please press star one again. A kind reminder to please pick up your handset or take yourself off of speakerphone when asking your question. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Zach Parham with JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Zach Parham, Analyst, JPMorgan: Hey, good morning. First I wanted to ask on curtailments. Tim Silverstein, I think you mentioned in your prepared remarks that the NFG didn’t have any curtailments in the current guide. Another Appalachian producer talked about some curtailments in 2Q. I know you’ve got the large majority of your volume hedged, but can you talk about how you’re thinking about curtailment? Is there a price level in the, in basin where you think about shutting in some volumes? maybe what, where about is that price level?
Justin I. Loweth, President of Seneca Resources and National Fuel Midstream, National Fuel Gas Company: Zach. We have approximately about 30 Bcf exposed into the spot market. As we’ve said in years past, especially when we’ve seen lower prices, we don’t specifically talk about the price level at which we curtail. I think what we’ve said historically is that, you know, prices north of $2, we’re still flowing gas. Prices, you know, well below $1, we’re definitely curtailing. You know, somewhere in there is where we typically make the decision. You know, we don’t give that specific price. Again, we’re very limited exposure, and each day that passes, you know, we’re continuing to flow gas right now.
Zach Parham, Analyst, JPMorgan: Thanks. My follow-up’s maybe for Justin. You talked about flowing one of the new wells at 40 million a day versus the, you know, 25-30 that I think you flowed in some of the older wells. Can you talk about, 1, your expectations on how long these wells can hold that plateau period at the higher rate? And 2, you know, how having the equipment in place to flow at a higher rate impacts both cost and potential returns from pulling forward some volumes?
Justin I. Loweth, President of Seneca Resources and National Fuel Midstream, National Fuel Gas Company: Sure, Zach. A couple things. I mean, one. In terms of the ultimate sustained period, we’re gonna have to do more work and look at it should be relatively linear with wells that we, you know, produce at $30 million. We would expect to get some sort of cum and total drawdown over a period of time. Of course, if you’re flowing at $40 million versus $25 or $30, that period of time will be a little bit shorter. It also brings forward value.
One of the things we’re really looking for and trying to optimize on, and I think this goes back to your cost question, is that we believe that we’re close on a design where we’ll be able to flow at those higher rates and do it at the exact same production facility cost that we have today, potentially even less, as we continue to optimize and improve those designs. What we’re really balancing is that, particularly if we have a pad with less overall wells, let’s say it’s 4 or 5 wells on that pad, and they’re very long laterals, which we’ve been moving towards recently. You know, I’ve recently here just finished casing some wells that’ll be approaching 20,000 foot TLL.
With wells like that, the opportunity to flow at a higher rate restricted rate, even if it’s for an ultimately a little shorter period, can pull a lot of value forward. And so we’re trying to understand kind of what that relative balance is, and what the overall, you know, deliverability makes sense. But look, we’re encouraged by it. We know from the wells we drilled that there’s plenty of pressure and plenty of opportunity to do more. It’s just gonna be this balancing act. The other thing that we of course factor into all of this is our gathering infrastructure and what makes the most sense from an integrated investment and capital allocation decision. Those are the kind of guiding principles that we’re looking at in it.
This was a great opportunity to just have a well where we could pretty easily and inexpensively really validate this test for ourself, and it was successful.
Zach Parham, Analyst, JPMorgan: Thanks, Justin. That’s great color.
Karina, Conference Call Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Tim Rezvan with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Tim Rezvan, Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets: Good morning, folks. Thank you for taking the questions. I wanted to follow up on upstream. You know, the release highlighted the 6-well pad, and in comments, it sounds like 4 wells underperformed expectations with an older completion design. I was curious if you could provide more insight on what happened. Was it simply under stimulation? Was there a downhole issue? Kind of where I’m going with this is, you know, when do you think the team might be comfortable just using the Gen 4 design as your standard recipe going forward? Thank you.
Justin I. Loweth, President of Seneca Resources and National Fuel Midstream, National Fuel Gas Company: Tim, thanks for your question. These wells, you said it right. It was a 6-well pad. It’s kind of on the western side of our core development area. Several factors here that play into it. You know, the first one is we have a lot of 3D seismic coverage across our acreage. This area, though, was one we had acquired in 2023, and we were in the process of capturing that 3D seismic and then ultimately processing that and integrate it into our broader subsurface model. At the time when we were drilling these wells, we didn’t have the benefit of that knowledge. Today, we have all of that, and we have tremendous understanding and visibility into this area.
When they were drilled, which was also tied to holding a very important lease that captured about 20,000 acres of land, when they were drilled. We were earlier in our days, we were still drilling both well-designed in terms of interval spacing as well as proppant loading. We were still testing and doing our Gen 2 designs and then working towards our Gen 3 and Gen 4 designs. If I could go back in time, these would all be Gen 3, Gen 4, because the Upper Utica well on the pad and the Gen 4 design in the pad are very strong performers, right in line with our expectations.
These four wells, though, that were older Gen 2 designs, you know, have underperformed. We’ve got a lot better understanding in this area. Like I said, I mean, we’ve got a lot of wells across our broader portfolio, a lot more information, a lot better understanding, and that’s informing the decisions we’re making today. As part of that, the idea of going all the way to a Gen 4 design, we’re trending that direction. What I’ll tell you is we are going to continue to challenge ourselves between Gen 4 and Gen 3, or any other future generation design to really optimize for the best overall return between our upstream and gathering business.
A Gen 4 design is a little bit more expensive than a Gen 3 design, we wanna see, you know, additional results from these Gen 4s that we’re drilling, including I mentioned at the very end of this Q2, we brought online our first 5-well, fully bounded Gen 4 design pad. We want that kind of data to really help inform us on if we’re moving all the way towards a Gen 4 design or something in between that could be even better. Ultimately, we’re gonna be led by the economics between our integrated upstream and gathering. You know, getting the most gas for the least amount of overall capital.
Tim Rezvan, Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets: Okay. That’s a great detailed answer. Thank you. As my follow-up, I was curious to learn kind of, if you all could give more color on the long-term expansion opportunities for Supply Corp. You know, you highlighted a third project with the Line N upgrade. How many projects are out there and how do you decide, you know, which to pursue? Then on top of that, you mentioned in the slide deck there’s potentially more to do with Line N potential incremental expansions, and can you talk more about the likelihood that you think you can capture that?
David P. Bauer, President and Chief Executive Officer, National Fuel Gas Company: Sure. Yeah. We think we’ve had a great run of doing expansions on Line N over the years. Given its location, think that we’re gonna have lots more opportunities in the future. Our current focus right now, if you will, in the Line N area is on power gen. You know, both with, you know, behind the meter type projects like with our Shippingport project as well as other, you know, call it just power gen that would go into PJM. There’s a lot of opportunities there. The dialogues that we’ve had with developers has been productive.
As you may know, the Shippingport Project, which is initially starting at $200 million a day, could grow to as much as $800 million a day if the project developer was successful in fully building it out. That certainly would be a big opportunity. Other opportunities along the Line N are sizable as well, right? Power plants use a lot of gas. Line N isn’t the only spot that we’re looking at. You know, our Empire line that goes from Tioga County north into New York and then ultimately connecting to Canada is another area that we could expand. You know, I think the region is just generally short electric generation.
You know, certainly in PJM, you know, we see the results of their auctions. In New York, where there’s been such underinvestment in energy infrastructure, you know, at some point, you know, I really believe that we’re gonna need more generation within the state. As much as policymakers would like that to be wind and solar, those just don’t work for base load power. I think we’re looking at needing more base load power and natural gas is the logical choice for that. Our pipelines, you know, particularly the Empire, is really well suited for serving that new generation.
Tim Rezvan, Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets: Okay. I appreciate the detailed answers. Thank you.
Karina, Conference Call Operator: Your next question comes from the line of John Freeman with Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
John Freeman, Analyst, Raymond James: Good morning. Thanks. First question, Justin I. Loweth. You touched on some of the maybe headwinds that you’re seeing on the CapEx side, on the diesel prices and things like that. Could you give just any more kind of color just on a leading edge basis outside of like diesel prices, if you’re seeing anything that’s either supply chain type factors as a result of what’s going on? Then just any potential pressure on the service cost side.
Justin I. Loweth, President of Seneca Resources and National Fuel Midstream, National Fuel Gas Company: Yeah, sure John. Thanks for the question. You know, the short answer is you’re hitting it kind of the main element, which is more, you know, diesel, which obviously haul intensive activities are gonna be impacted by that and various surcharges that are baked into a lot of contracts that, you know, us as well as many other operators across the country have with their various vendors. In terms of real supply chain issues, we’ve actually been talking to all of our counterparties, digging into this, trying to ensure that there’s no war impacted challenges. At this point, we don’t believe there are.
We’ve looked kind of potentially across like, for example, charges to the extent you have more explosives that potentially could get hung up and tied into, you know, Defense Production Act or otherwise needs. And we’re just not seeing it. We think we’re pretty well insulated from, I’ll call it, the same shocks that a lot of people went through back coming out of COVID, where you had an inability of the supply chain to deliver what you need. It’s much more about some, you know, pricing headwinds. The reality is we don’t, you know, it’s so early in this conflict and don’t have a lot of visibility when it’s gonna end and how that works. We’re evaluating it and working on it.
We’re not seeing anything specific as it relates to, you know, drilling or completions. I would just note that those generally are longer term contracts for us. We have a long-term frack provider and similarly, we generally contract our rigs for 12 to 18 months at a time when we’re bringing them in.
John Freeman, Analyst, Raymond James: Great. Thanks for that color. Then, Dave, I wanted to follow up on some comments you made previously. It seems like we’re in the last couple of quarters, increasingly we’re hearing, you know, more and more of a focus on kind of behind the meter projects. You know, like what y’all have done with Shippingport. I’m just curious, when you look out, like, at the opportunities set over the next several years, and we sort of think about the opportunities behind the meter versus kind of the traditional, you know, grid-based solutions, kind of how you see that mix playing out.
David P. Bauer, President and Chief Executive Officer, National Fuel Gas Company: Yeah, I think the focus is switching more towards broader generation within PJM. I mean, there still certainly is interest in behind the meter generation. I think it, you know, that tends to go over better with the, you know, the policymakers. From a practical standpoint, having, like I said, just a minute ago, having more generation just generally in the region is gonna require the build-out of new gas-fired generation. We’re gonna be there to support it.
John Freeman, Analyst, Raymond James: Thanks, guys.
Karina, Conference Call Operator: As a kind reminder.
Justin I. Loweth, President of Seneca Resources and National Fuel Midstream, National Fuel Gas Company: Thank you.
Karina, Conference Call Operator: Apologies. As a kind reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, please press star 1 again. Your next question comes from the line of Neil Mehta with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Neil Mehta, Analyst, Goldman Sachs: Hey, guys. Can you hear me okay?
David P. Bauer, President and Chief Executive Officer, National Fuel Gas Company: Yep.
Justin I. Loweth, President of Seneca Resources and National Fuel Midstream, National Fuel Gas Company: Yeah.
Neil Mehta, Analyst, Goldman Sachs: Hey, sorry about that. Just your perspective on the gas macro would be terrific. I mean, we’ve obviously seen a softening relative to where we were when we connected a couple months ago, and part of that could be the shoulder. Part of it seems like it’s just production beats. I mean, just your perspective on as you think about the balance of this year, we set up for exits in October. How do you think about the setup here, and how is that shaping the way you’re approaching activity and hedging?
Justin I. Loweth, President of Seneca Resources and National Fuel Midstream, National Fuel Gas Company: Thanks, Neil. I mean, you know, just big picture, nothing’s really changed fundamentally about our views. You know, Tim spoke to some of this in his remarks. We’ve really built the portfolio to go through periods of both high and low prices. You know, as you’re alluding to, that’s exactly what we’ve seen. You know, to go from a February settle of almost $7.50 and then the settle we just saw here for May of $2.56 is pretty tremendous volatility. We hedge. We’ve always hedged. We’re methodical about that and thoughtful about it. We use collars to capture the upside. Then, you know, we have a marketing portfolio that’s designed to capture, you know, premium markets at the end, but also minimize in base and exposure.
Look, I think across the country, we’re gonna have more gas coming out of the Permian, particularly as these new pipeline projects go in service. Haynesville, bit of a wild card, exactly how that moves and exits through the year. Coming back closer to home for us, and what really matters are the flows coming out of Appalachia and the relative demand. I think our view is that, you know, generally speaking, there’s just a lot more discipline these days than there has been if you go back several years ago.
By discipline, what I’m referring to is just producers in Appalachia understanding that we have a specific amount of storage, we have a specific amount of demand that’ll fluctuate based upon, you know, winter and summer temperatures, of course. But generally, the market stays more balanced and maintains, I’ll call it reasonable, differentials to, you know, to NYMEX Henry Hub. Then look, longer term Henry Hub, I’ll just hit at that briefly. We’re still very much in the camp that we’ve entered a market where, generally speaking, we’re gonna see Henry Hub prices between three and five. We would expect that there will be short periods of time that could be above or below that level. That’s really our fundamental view.
What’s great is that with those kind of prices, with a longer term 3 to 5, we do fantastic. We generate a lot of free cash flow, a lot of earnings. As we continue to make forward progress on our capital efficiency trends, that’s just gonna translate to more and more cash flow. Yeah, I mean, very constructive with air pockets along the way. Both highs and lows along the way.
Neil Mehta, Analyst, Goldman Sachs: Yeah, certainly volatile. Appreciate that. Just your thoughts around maximizing Gulf Coast exposure in any firm turf takeaway opportunities down to premium end markets would be good. I mean, as we saw that you layered in a little bit more here, how big could that opportunity set be for you guys as you look out over the next two years?
Justin I. Loweth, President of Seneca Resources and National Fuel Midstream, National Fuel Gas Company: We’ve been at it now for a few years, really trying to further bolster our takeaway capacity in the form of new firm transportation. When we saw the depth and quality of this Utica resource that we have, it was clear to us we needed to protect the pathway to grow and do that through finding our way into premium markets. You know, I spoke about some of those today. We’ve got the Tioga Pathway service coming in service later this year. We’ve got the EGT Project Stratum coming in in a few years. What we’ve been able to selectively grab are these Gulf Coast new capacity contracts that you’re alluding to. Getting that first 50, getting that first olive out of the jar took a long time.
We’ve been working on that for 18 months. We were successful here this last quarter at executing a contract to pick up another 50. Over time, we’ll have about 100 million going there. A lot of our overall FT portfolio, when you think about the 1.5, it gets pretty balanced. We’ve got, you know, a nice chunk that’s going to Gulf Coast or to, I’ll call it the Mid-Atlantic markets, down as far as Z4, which would be in Alabama, but also Z5 South. We’ve got some great capacity that gets us into kind of the New York, non-New York markets. We’ve got some access to some premium PA markets where we see continued, in particular power gen.
There’s gonna be a lot. There are a lot of plants under development right now, and PJM is short power, and we strongly believe that where we’re moving this gas is gonna be moving right to it. Through the northern markets, whether that’s Canada or Northern New York. We really like the portfolio setup. We’re gonna keep chipping away. I’m confident we’ll find more ways to continue to expand it. If that’s Gulf Coast, awesome. If it’s something else, that’s great too. I’m confident we’ll keep chipping away. We’ve made huge strides. I mean, growing our portfolio by 50% over the last few years in terms of how much capacity we’ll have as we get out to 2029.
Neil Mehta, Analyst, Goldman Sachs: Yeah. It’s notable progress, and we’ll keep on watching. Thanks, guys.
Justin I. Loweth, President of Seneca Resources and National Fuel Midstream, National Fuel Gas Company: Thank you.
Karina, Conference Call Operator: There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Natalie for closing remarks.
Natalie M. Fischer, Director of Investor Relations, National Fuel Gas Company: Thank you, Karina. We’d like to thank everyone for taking the time to be with us today. A replay of the call will be available on the website later today. Please feel free to reach out if you have any follow-up questions. Otherwise, we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. Thank you, and have a nice day.
Karina, Conference Call Operator: This concludes today’s call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.