Hilltop Holdings Q4 2025 Earnings Call - Margin Expansion and Buybacks, but Auto-Loan Charge-Offs Highlight Credit Volatility
Summary
Hilltop closed 2025 with stronger margins, healthier NII, and an aggressive return-of-capital program, yet the quarter carried a clear reminder that credit can surprise. Full-year net income rose to $165.6 million, helped by net interest margin expansion, lower deposit costs, and solid Hilltop Securities performance, while two stressed auto loan credits produced notable write-downs that trimmed the allowance and pushed fourth quarter charge-offs higher.
Management is optimistic about loan pipelines, deposit trends, and Hilltop Securities revenue drivers, and it left guidance assuming multiple Fed cuts in 2026. Still, watch deposit beta, asset sensitivity, and mortgage-market mix, because those variables will determine whether margin gains hold and whether the company can keep returning capital without stressing reserve or capital cushions.
Key Takeaways
- Full-year 2025 net income attributable to common stockholders was $165.6 million, or $2.64 per diluted share, a 46% increase versus the prior year; Q4 net income was $41.6 million, $0.69 per diluted share.
- Net interest income grew 7% year-over-year, with Q4 NII of $112.5 million, which included $1.0 million of purchase accounting accretion.
- Net interest margin expanded versus prior year, with PlainsCapital Bank NIM reported at 329 basis points and consolidated NIM up about 30 basis points to 302 basis points year-over-year.
- Deposit cost management was a focal point, driving average interest-bearing deposit cost down to 269 basis points, a 21 basis point decline versus Q3 and 44 basis points versus prior year.
- Management reported an interest-bearing deposit beta of roughly 68% during the cycle, expecting it to move toward 60%-65% if the Fed cuts rates further; modeled asset sensitivity implies about $4.5 million of NII impact per 25 basis points.
- Average total deposits were about $10.7 billion in Q4, down $233 million versus year-ago, driven in part by management returning sweep deposits; the firm returned roughly $397 million of HCS sweep deposits on average and reduced broker-dealer sweep balances to $100 million (down 82% from year-end 2024).
- Loan growth momentum: average HFI loans were $8.2 billion, up 1.8% sequentially; period-end loans rose $361 million year-over-year, driven by commercial real estate; the loan pipeline entering 2026 was about $2.6 billion.
- Credit charge-offs rose in Q4 to $11.5 million, largely driven by write-downs of $9.5 million tied to two stressed auto note credits; about $5.7 million of that had been previously reserved. Full-year net charge-offs were $16.9 million, or 21 basis points of average HFI loans.
- Allowance for credit losses fell $3.6 million in the quarter to $91.5 million, producing an ACL to total loans HFI ratio near 1.1% (bank ACL coverage cited at about 1.15% including warehouse lending). Management emphasized ACL volatility tied to macro assumptions and portfolio mix.
- PrimeLending remained challenged, with a Q4 pre-tax loss of $5 million despite seasonally healthy originations of $2.4 billion; purchase volumes were roughly stable at $1.9 billion and refinance volumes increased 49% year-over-year.
- Gain-on-sale margins for mortgage loans sold to third parties improved about 19 basis points year-over-year, while mortgage origination fees declined roughly 25 basis points, leaving mortgage-related revenue roughly stable in aggregate at an expected 350-360 basis point range.
- Hilltop Securities delivered a strong quarter, with Q4 pretax income of $26 million on $138 million of net revenues, an 18% pretax margin; full-year results benefited from Public Finance (net revenues +20% YoY) and Wealth Management (net revenues +16% YoY).
- Capital returns and capital strength: the company returned $229 million to shareholders in 2025 via dividends and buybacks, repurchased $61 million in Q4, raised the dividend 11%, and authorized $125 million of buybacks; CET1 ratio stood at 19.7% and tangible book value per share rose to $31.83.
- Expense control produced positive operating leverage, with total revenues up 8% and expenses up 2% for 2025, producing 6% operating leverage; Q4 non-interest expense rose to $269 million as variable compensation and severance pushed costs higher, but management expects non-variable expenses to stay in the $180-$190 million quarterly range.
- Guidance and sensitivities: management modeled three Fed cuts in 2026 in current outlook, noted asset sensitivity around 4% and said broker-dealer fee income sensitivity is modest, likely single-digit millions of dollars with rate moves.
Full Transcript
Conference Call Operator: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Hilltop Holdings fourth quarter 2025 earnings conference call and webcast. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator. This call is being recorded on Friday, January 30, 2026. And I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Matt Dunne. Thank you. Please go ahead.
Matt Dunne, Executive (likely CFO or Legal Counsel), Hilltop Holdings: Thank you. Before we get started, please note that certain statements during today’s presentation that are not statements of historical fact, including statements concerning such items as our outlook, business strategy, future plans, financial condition, credit risks and trends in credit, allowance for credit losses, liquidity and sources of funding, funding costs, dividends, stock repurchases, subsequent events, and impacts of interest rate changes, as well as such other items referenced in the preface of our presentation, are forward-looking statements. These statements are based on management’s current expectations concerning future events that, by their nature, are subject to risks and uncertainties. Our actual results, capital, liquidity, and financial condition may differ materially from these statements due to a variety of factors, including the precautionary statements referenced in the preface of our presentation and those included in our most recent annual and quarterly reports filed with the SEC.
Please note that certain information presented is preliminary and based upon data available at this time. Except to the extent required by law, we expressly disclaim any obligation to update earlier statements as a result of new information. Additionally, this presentation includes certain Non-GAAP measures, including Tangible Common Equity and Tangible Book Value per share. A reconciliation of these measures to the nearest GAAP measure may be found in the appendix to this presentation, which is posted on our website at ir.hilltop.com. I will now turn the presentation over to Jeremy Ford.
Jeremy Ford, Executive (likely CEO), Hilltop Holdings: Thank you, Matt, and good morning. Before we review the results for the fourth quarter, I would like to spend time discussing the full year 2025. From a macro perspective, we saw a continued decline in short-term interest rates as the FOMC cut their target rate three times, totaling 75 basis points. The yield curve realized a further steepening through the year as long-term interest rates, namely the ten-year Treasury note, remained range-bound between 4%-4.5%. Hilltop, akin to many of our banking peers, has benefited from the increased slope of the yield curve by realizing an increase in net interest income and net interest margin. Specifically, at PlainsCapital Bank, a proactive management of deposit costs has helped to increase NIM by 12 basis points when compared to the prior year.
At Prime Lending, the combination of further expense optimization and a tightening in the spread between the going-on mortgage rates and the 10-year Treasury note helped to shrink operating losses for the year 2025. However, the material headwinds of challenging affordability, low new home inventory, and increased ownership expenses continued to weigh on industry volumes and margins. Hilltop Securities, through strong execution in our core competencies, was able to produce a 13.5% pre-tax margin on net revenue of $501 million. Finally, Hilltop returned $229 million to stockholders through the repurchase of shares and common dividends, while delivering $166 million of net income, which represents a 46% increase over the prior year. I would like to thank our colleagues throughout Hilltop for their hard work and dedication in 2025.
Moving to the fourth quarter, Hilltop reported net income of approximately $42 million or $0.69 per diluted share. Return on average assets for the period was 1.1%, and return on average equity was 7.6%. To summarize our lines of businesses, PlainsCapital Bank realized a further expansion in net interest margin while continuing to see strong signs of core loan growth from a robust pipeline. PrimeLending continued to optimize the expense base of the franchise while realizing a healthy, seasonally adjusted origination volume of $2.4 billion. Hilltop Securities saw continued positive results from the wealth management, public finance, and structured finance lines of business. Within the quarter, PlainsCapital Bank generated $43.5 million in pre-tax income and a 1.05% return on average assets.
Net interest margin saw continued expansion to 329 basis points, largely due to the previously mentioned active management of deposit costs. While competition continues to increase within our markets, the bank has successfully increased lender headcount and continues to show a healthy loan pipeline. These metrics signal the great brand reputation at PlainsCapital Bank, where we are known for providing excellent service and value to our banking customers. Total core deposits within our markets showed further increases, which allowed the bank to return an additional $225 million of sweep deposits to our broker-dealer. That balance stands now at $100 million, which is down 82% relative to year-end 2024. Results in the quarter included a $7.9 million provision expense. This was largely due.
This was largely driven by two stressed auto note credits that we have discussed in prior quarters. Will is going to provide further commentary on credit in his prepared remarks. Overall, the bank continues to show tailwinds from strong loan growth, healthy core funding trends, and a positive interest rate environment that supports our expanded net interest margin. Moving to PrimeLending, where the company reported a pre-tax loss of $5 million during the fourth quarter. We realized a seasonally healthy start to the winter months from an origination volume perspective, as a decline in ongoing mortgage rates spurred on a modest rebound relative to the very subdued second and third quarters of this year. However, profitability remains challenged as headwinds within the broader mortgage industry continue to weigh on total volumes and margins.
As is typical, we expect for the first quarter of the year to be a seasonally slow home buying environment, which should impact PrimeLending’s origination volume. During this prolonged mortgage cycle, we have executed on several operational cost reductions at PrimeLending to optimize the business and create a more efficient platform. We will continue to pursue increased levels of efficiency while investing in ways to organically grow production headcount and total origination volumes in order to expand our operating leverage. During the quarter, Hilltop Securities generated pretax income of $26 million on net revenues of $138 million, for a pretax margin of 18%. Speaking to the business lines in Hilltop Securities, Public Finance Services rounded out a very strong year by producing a 20% year-over-year increase in net revenues as it capitalized on increased industry issuance volumes.
Structured Finance net revenues increased by $2 million versus the fourth quarter of 2024. A decline in trading revenues was offset by a material increase in lock volumes on a year-over-year basis. In Wealth Management, net revenues increased by 16% to $53 million when compared to the fourth quarter of 2024. The continued healthy results in 2025 are due in part to the growth from our advisory fees on higher managed balances and improved transaction revenues. Further, strengthened revenues generated by sweep deposits continues to bolster our results. Finally, Fixed Income Services showed a modest increase in net revenues versus the prior year, as both sales and trading revenues improved year-over-year. Overall, Hilltop Securities delivered another strong quarter to round out a favorable year for the firm.
We continue to focus on executing on our strategic initiatives as we aim to be a full solution provider to our clients. Moving to page 4. Hilltop maintains solid capital levels with a Common Equity Tier One capital ratio of 19.7%. Additionally, our Tangible Book Value per share increased over the prior quarter by $0.60 to $31.83. During the period, we returned $11 million to stockholders through dividends and repurchased $61 million in shares. Thank you. I’ll now turn the presentation over to Will to discuss our financials in more detail.
Will, Financial Executive, Hilltop Holdings: Thank you, Jeremy. I’ll start on page 5. As Jeremy discussed, for the fourth quarter of 2025, Hilltop reported consolidated income attributable to common stockholders, $41.6 million, equating to $0.69 per diluted share. The fourth quarter results include $7.8 million provision for credit loss, which reflects the combined impacts of net charge-offs during the period and a modest deterioration in the economic condition outlook. Even with higher provision expense versus the prior year, we are pleased with solid growth in net interest income, which grew 7% versus the prior year. Non-interest income, which grew 11% versus the prior year, both of which contributed to a 26% improvement in Hilltop’s diluted EPS. Turning to page 6.
For the full year of 2025, Hilltop reported consolidated income attributable to common stockholders of $165.6 million, equating to $2.64 per diluted share, representing growth of 46% and 52% versus the prior year’s results, respectively. During the year, total revenues, including both net interest income and non-interest income, increased by 8% to approximately $1.3 billion, while expenses grew by 2%, resulting in positive operating leverage of 6% for the year-end 2025. I’m moving to page seven. Hilltop’s allowance for credit losses decreased during the quarter by $3.6 million to $91.5 million. During the quarter, Hilltop recorded net charge-offs of $11.5 million.
Included in these net charge-offs were write-downs of $9.5 million related to two large auto note credits that have been referenced on prior calls. During the fourth quarter, the expected cash flows from the two loan portfolios that support these credits declined substantially from prior period estimates. As a result, management decided to mark these assets to the updated fair value, thereby recognizing the charge-offs versus building and carrying an outsized allowance against these loans. Of the net charge-off amount for these auto credits, approximately $5.7 million had been previously reserved. In addition, the allowance for credit losses increased modestly for portfolio migration and some deterioration in the macroeconomic outlook. At year-end, allowance for credit losses of $91.5 million yields an ACL to total loans HFI ratio of 1.1%....
As we’ve seen over time, ACL can be volatile as it’s impacted by economic assumptions, as well as changes in the mix and makeup of the credit portfolio. We continue to believe that future changes in the allowance for credit losses will be driven by net loan growth in the portfolio, credit migration trends, and changes to the macroeconomic outlook over time. Turning to page 8. Net interest income in the fourth quarter equated to $112.5 million, which included $1 million of purchase accounting accretion, remaining relatively stable with the prior quarter and increasing by $7 million versus the prior year. Net interest margin increased versus the fourth quarter of 2024 by 30 basis points to 302 basis points.
The improvement in NIM and net interest income continues to be driven by the solid work our bank team is doing on managing deposit costs and growing lower cost deposits within the bank. Through this portion of the cycle, we’ve maintained a 68% interest-bearing deposit beta, which is substantially improved versus our previous ALM model results of 50%-55%. While the team continues to focus on creating value for our clients while managing our overall net interest income, we do expect that the interest-bearing deposit beta will fall towards 60%-65% if the Federal Reserve reduces rates an additional two to three times during this portion of the rate cycle. Moving to page nine. Fourth quarter average total deposits are approximately $10.7 billion, declining versus the fourth quarter of 2024 by $233 million.
Decline in average deposits was driven by management’s decision to return, on average, $397 million of HCS sweep deposits back to Hilltop Securities to be deployed into their FDIC-insured sweep deposit program. On an ending balance basis, deposits increased by approximately $200 million from the third quarter of 2025, net of the return of sweep deposits of $225 million. The growth in customer deposits was driven by expanded commercial relationships, coupled with positive seasonal deposit trends from our public sector clients at the bank. As a result of our ongoing pricing efforts, average interest-bearing deposit cost declined to 269 basis points.
A decrease of 21 basis points versus the third quarter of 2025 levels, which supports a decline in total deposit cost of 2%, which were down 44 basis points from the prior year period. Currently, we expect that interest-bearing deposit costs will move somewhat lower over the coming quarters and then stabilize until we see any additional movement by the Federal Reserve on short-term rates. Moving to page 10. Total non-interest income for the fourth quarter of 2025 equated to $217 million. Fourth quarter mortgage-related income and fees increased by $2.5 million versus the fourth quarter of 2024, driven by improvement in both lock and originated volumes versus the same period in the prior year.
While signs of improvement in our mortgage business are emerging, some of the significant macro challenges persist, whereby the combination of higher interest rates, home price inflation, insurance, and elevated tax costs continue to pressure volumes and margins. Versus the same period prior year, purchase mortgage volumes were relatively stable at $1.9 billion, and refinance volumes increased by $168 million, or 49%, versus the prior year period. During the fourth quarter of 2025, gain on sale margins improved by 19 basis points for loans sold to third parties versus the prior year period. Largely offsetting the higher gain on sale margins were lower mortgage loan origination fees, which declined by 25 basis points versus the prior year, demonstrating that as mortgage interest rates have declined throughout 2025, our customers’ desire to buy down their mortgage rate has also diminished.
During the fourth quarter, Public Finance, Wealth Management, and Structured Finance business lines within Hilltop Securities all generated higher fee income versus the prior year period. Public Finance benefited from higher market debt offerings across our customer base, and Wealth Management benefited from the performance in the equity markets, coupled with continued efforts to grow our producer and client base. Structured Finance’s results reflect higher lock volumes from first-time home buyers across the state housing, housing agencies we support. Other non-interest income grew by $4.6 million versus the prior year period, largely driven by valuation adjustments and return on certain investments within our merchant banking investment portfolio.
As we’ve noted in the past, it is important to recognize that both the fixed income services and structured finance businesses at Hilltop Securities can be volatile from period to period, as they’re impacted by interest rates, overall market liquidity, and production trends. I’m turning to page 11. Non-interest expenses increased from the same period in the prior year by $6 million to $269 million, driving the increase in non-interest expense for higher variable compensation expenses, principally within the mortgage and securities businesses. In addition, compensation expenses were elevated during the fourth quarter of 2025 by $2.4 million of severance-related costs... as well as an increase in overall healthcare costs.
Looking forward, we expect expenses other than variable compensation to remain relatively stable between $180 million and $190 million per quarter, as our ongoing focused efforts related to streamlining our operations and improving productivity continue to support lower headcount and improve throughput across our franchise, helping to offset the ongoing inflationary pressures that persist in the market. Moving to page 12. Fourth quarter average HFI loans equated to $8.2 billion and grew by 1.8% versus the prior quarter. On a period-ending basis, HFI loans increased versus the fourth quarter of 2024 by $361 million, driven by growth in commercial real estate lending. While the economy in Texas remains resilient, we do expect the competition for funded loans will remain very intense.
As we look forward to 2026, we are expecting that full year average bank loan growth of 4%-6%, excluding the impact of loans retained from PrimeLending and Mortgage Warehouse Lending. I’m moving to page 13. As is shown in the chart on the bottom left of the page, net charge-offs for the fourth quarter related to eleven point five million dollars. As noted earlier, the most significant charge-offs in the period related to the two auto note finance credits that we’ve discussed on prior calls, which accounted for $9.5 million of net charge-offs during the quarter. We previously reserved $5.7 million for these credits, and as a result, the full $9.5 million did not impact provision expense in the period.
For the full year of 2025, net charge-offs equated to $16.9 million, or 21 basis points of full year average HFI loans. While we’re disappointed by the charge-offs related to the auto credits, we believe the credit quality remains stable across the portfolio and do not currently see any large systemic areas of concern. As is shown on the graph at the bottom right of the page, the allowance for credit loss coverage at the bank ended the fourth quarter at 1.15%, including mortgage warehouse lending. I’m moving to page 14. As we moved into 2026, there continues to be a lot of uncertainty in the market regarding interest rates, inflation, and the overall health of the economy. That said, we provided our current outlook metrics for the coming year.
As we’ve noted in the past, we’re pleased with the work that our team has delivered to position our company for long-term success. Our outlook for 2026 reflects our current assessment of the economy and the markets where we participate. Further, as the market changes and we adjust our business to respond, we’ll provide updates to our outlook on our future quarterly calls. Operator, that concludes our prepared comments, and we’ll turn the call back to you for the Q&A section of the call.
Conference Call Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Should you have a question, please press star followed by the 1 on your telephone keypad. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised, and should you wish to cancel your request, please press star followed by the 2. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. One moment please, for your first question. Your first question comes from the line of Matt Ownby from Stephens. Please go ahead.
Matt Ownby, Analyst, Stephens: Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys.
Will, Financial Executive, Hilltop Holdings: Good morning. Good morning.
Matt Ownby, Analyst, Stephens: I’ll start on the broker-dealer. It looks like those broker-dealer fees were good in the quarter and guidance calls for those to be relatively stable in 2026. I was hoping you could speak to a few of the business lines and expectations for 2026. And then I guess kind of part two of that, that pre-tax margin, I think it’s been 13.5% over the last two years. Is that a good baseline to assume for 2026? Thanks.
Will, Financial Executive, Hilltop Holdings: So, thanks for the question. You know, I think as we look into 2026, we feel very good about the franchise that is Hilltop Securities and the four primary business lines there. To go through them, Public Finance had really saw record originations both in the industry as well as here, and we expect that to remain reasonably strong going into the year 2026, notwithstanding kind of market changes. But our current view is that Public Finance, that business is set up to do well, and the investments we’ve made there continue to bear fruit. We continue to work diligently on our Fixed Income Services. We’ve noted over the last couple of quarters and maybe years, that’s been a challenging business.
It seems to be moderating and producing solid results, again, relative to the investments we’ve made and expectations. So, Fixed Income Services, we’re optimistic about. Wealth Management, as we noted, has benefited from both the overall improved equity market conditions and the continuation of that this year. But we expect that business, given, again, investments we’ve made in people, our ability to attract and retain customers, as well as, some of the technology where investments we’ve made there, that business to continue to improve, over time. But it is market dependent based on kind of how the overall markets perform. And in Structured Finance, as we’ve always said, is directly correlated to first-time homebuyers across the housing agencies we support.
We believe there’s gonna continue to be a robust market for that going forward. But as we’ve noted in the past, we have seen certain states that have provided support, and, you know, that’s certainly been helpful for overall origination volume, and we’ll see if they continue to provide that support in the future.
Jeremy Ford, Executive (likely CEO), Hilltop Holdings: Yeah, and I would just add, you know, we’re really pleased with the Hilltop Securities, the year they had this year and last, and the great management team, great businesses. And our public finance business, we’re celebrating our eightieth anniversary this year for it. So that just, I think is a good indication of what a dominant public finance business we’ve had for a long time.
Will, Financial Executive, Hilltop Holdings: Your question on pre-tax margin, it has been, you know, consistently 13.5% for the last couple of years. We’ve historically guided, that’s gonna be low double digits to low teens, so 10%-14%. So we feel like this is an appropriate range, what we’ve seen, and certainly look forward to having a solid year in 2026.
Matt Ownby, Analyst, Stephens: Okay, appreciate the color there. And then I guess the guidance, I believe, also assumes three Fed cuts during twenty-six. I assume that impacts both NII and the broker-dealer fees. Just big picture, any color on the sensitivity of that, if we were to get just, you know, on the low end of that, one cut or even two cuts? Help us appreciate kind of what that would look like for NII and then the broker fee income.
Will, Financial Executive, Hilltop Holdings: Yeah, I think broker fee income is gonna be a little more difficult because there are clearly puts and takes there as it relates to, you know, certain things would improve if rates move lower, certain things will, you know, sweep income, for example, could be pressured. But that would be, you know, I’d say single-digit $ millions. From an NII perspective, you know, we’ve noted it was an objective of ours to reduce overall asset sensitivity. We’ve continued to do that. As you can see in the deck, we’ve got kind of modeled asset sensitivity on instantaneous and parallel basis of just over 4%. And so every 25 basis points in that environment on an annual basis is about $4.5 million of NII.
Matt Ownby, Analyst, Stephens: Okay, that’s great. I’ll step back. Thank you.
Will, Financial Executive, Hilltop Holdings: Thank you.
Jeremy Ford, Executive (likely CEO), Hilltop Holdings: Thank you.
Conference Call Operator: Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Michael Rose from Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Michael Rose, Analyst, Raymond James: Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Just wanted to-
Jeremy Ford, Executive (likely CEO), Hilltop Holdings: Good morning
Michael Rose, Analyst, Raymond James: ... discuss capital. Obviously, nice to see the dividend increase, but I think the buyback authorization was down from last year and maybe a little bit less than at least what I was looking for. Can you just kind of discuss, you know, kind of capital priorities? You know, clearly we’ve seen a lot of M&A in and around your markets. You know, I know you guys are kind of always in the hunt for deals. Just wanted to see if there’s kind of any update from your perspective. I know you’re a little bit hindered by the currency at this point, but you know, has the opportunity set improved from here? Thanks.
Jeremy Ford, Executive (likely CEO), Hilltop Holdings: Yeah. Thanks, Michael. No, I think, you know, we’re really pleased with the capital we deployed and, the way we’re able to do it in 2025. I think it’s a strong message that we’ve increased our dividend by 11%, and so that should be well received. And, you know, our share repurchase authorization of $125 million, I think is about pretty standard for what we authorized at the beginning of the year. And then it’ll just be, something that we monitor throughout the year as far as, the deployment of that. So that’s kind of on the capital priorities. On the M&A, I mean, clearly, it’s been an extremely active year in Texas and, a lot of deals being announced.
You know, I guess the forefront, yes, we are and continue to evaluate acquisition opportunities. But at the same time, you know, we’re also trying to make sure that we continue to focus on our own organic growth and, you know, try to take advantage of some of the dislocation that this may cause.
Michael Rose, Analyst, Raymond James: Perfect. Maybe just to ask the flip side of the question, on the M&A conversation. I mean, there’s not a lot of properties left in the state of size. You guys are clearly one of them. You know, I know there’s decent insider ownership here, but you know, we just love to you know, kind of discuss the potential possibility to maybe partner with a larger institution. And you know, have you had any you know, kind of informal or formal, you’re probably not going to answer this, but any reach out from any larger banks at this point?
Jeremy Ford, Executive (likely CEO), Hilltop Holdings: You know, for what we can disclose or discuss, you know, obviously, we’re gonna remain open to that and do what’s in the best interest of the shareholders. You know, I think that our business model is different than you know, a lot of the other more pure play banks, which is, you know, limited the universe of people that are bigger banks that would be attracted to it.
Michael Rose, Analyst, Raymond James: Okay, helpful. Maybe one, just final one for me, just the NII guide. You know, I think it implies some further core margin compression. Well, if you can just maybe, at least for the first quarter, just kind of, you know, talk about the expectation. You know, I understand Matt’s question as well, but it would seem like there’d be a little bit more core margin pressure as we move into the first couple quarters of the year.
Will, Financial Executive, Hilltop Holdings: Well, I think what we’ve seen is pretty solid action and activity on our deposit cost side, so we feel like that’s sustainable at this point. Again, we obviously don’t control what the Fed does, so we’ll play along as they make their updates and changes. We are and have seen, as noted on an ending balance basis, seen pretty solid loan growth across the bank. So all those things we think are constructive to net interest income. But again, we do maintain an asset-sensitive balance sheet, and as a result, if the Fed does continue reducing rates, we’ll be impacted by that.
But given they didn’t take action in January, again, view that as reasonably constructive for the first quarter from our perspective.
Woody Lay, Analyst, KBW: Helpful. Appreciate it. Thanks, guys.
Conference Call Operator: Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Woody Lay from KBW. Please go ahead.
Woody Lay, Analyst, KBW: Hey, good morning, guys.
Will, Financial Executive, Hilltop Holdings: Morning.
Woody Lay, Analyst, KBW: Maybe starting on loan growth, you know, it’s a nice quarter on that front. Could you just talk about the loan pipeline entering 2026, and maybe also talk about just the loan pricing competition that you’re seeing in your markets?
Jeremy Ford, Executive (likely CEO), Hilltop Holdings: Sure. Yeah, our loan pipeline going into 2026 is about $2.6 billion, which is on the high side for us. It built up higher, and then we had a lot of pull-through. But we’re feeling really good about the organic loan growth that we’re experiencing in our markets, and just the expanding client reach that we’ve had. So I feel really good about the loan portfolio building. You know, on the pricing side, clearly with rates coming down, we’re, you know, our I think going on yield came down about 35 basis points in the quarter. So we are seeing that, you know, just with the rate environment.
Woody Lay, Analyst, KBW: Yeah, that makes sense. And then maybe just last for me, shifting over to mortgage, I appreciate the origination volume expectation provided in the outlook. But just any thoughts on gain on sale margins over the coming year?
Will, Financial Executive, Hilltop Holdings: Yeah, I think as we look forward, you know, I think we expect total revenue between both gain on sale margin and mortgage origination fees really to be stable. If you look, you know, in our chart, if you kind of add those two bars together, you’ll see they’ve been very stable. The mix changes as rates change and customers’ preferences to buy down their rate or otherwise changes, but overall revenue around that 350-360 basis point range is kind of our expectation into the future. That’s obviously down from what you would see in a more robust market.
But again, our view has been and continues to be, we’re gonna see a steady improvement in the overall mortgage market, not a hockey stick change, and as a result, we’d expect kind of aggregate revenues, gross revenues to be stable.
Woody Lay, Analyst, KBW: All right. Perfect. I’ll hop back in the queue. Thanks for taking my questions.
Will, Financial Executive, Hilltop Holdings: Thank you.
Conference Call Operator: Thank you. That ends our question and answer session. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s call. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.