BCIC March 6, 2026

BCP Investment Corporation Q4 2025 Earnings Call - Debt Refinanced and Buybacks Accretive, NAV Still Under Pressure

Summary

2025 was a year of heavy housekeeping for BCP Investment Corporation. Management closed the Logan Ridge merger, rebranded under the BC Partners credit umbrella, refinanced near-term unsecured maturities and completed a $7.6 million tender buyback that was accretive to NAV. The board moved the base distribution from quarterly to monthly and authorized a new $10 million buyback program.
Those moves bought time and optionality, but they did not stop a meaningful NAV drawdown. NAV declined to $209.2 million, a 9.6% quarter over quarter drop, driven by $14.5 million of realized and unrealized losses and core NII that did not fully cover distributions. Management is deliberately cautious on new originations, leaning on buybacks and M&A to create shareholder value while emphasizing portfolio selectivity and downside protections.

Key Takeaways

  • Completed merger with Logan Ridge in July 2025 and rebranded to align with BC Partners credit platform, increasing scale and portfolio diversification.
  • Tender offer bought ~558,000 shares for ~$7.6 million in December, accretive to NAV by $0.18 per share; board also authorized a new $10 million buyback program on March 4, 2026.
  • Refinanced $108 million of unsecured notes maturing April 2026 by issuing $75 million 7.75% notes due October 2030 and $35 million 7.5% notes due October 2028, reducing near-term refinancing risk.
  • Board approved a quarterly base distribution of $0.32 per share for the quarter ending March 31, 2026 and transitioned to monthly base distributions starting April 2026, with $0.09 per share for Apr, May, Jun and potential supplemental distributions.
  • Q4 2025 net investment income was $7.4 million, or $0.57 per share, down from $8.8 million, $0.71 per share in Q3 2025; full year NII was $25.1 million, $2.28 per share.
  • Core net investment income for Q4 was $4.1 million, $0.32 per share, versus $5.2 million, $0.42 per share in Q3, indicating underlying earnings pressure.
  • NAV fell to $209.2 million ($16.68/share) as of December 31, 2025, a 9.6% decline from the prior quarter; per share NAV fell 5% or $0.87, with tender and buybacks partially offsetting the drop.
  • NAV decline drivers were $14.5 million of net realized and unrealized losses and core NII that did not cover the quarter’s dividend by about $2 million.
  • Portfolio composition: investments across 74 companies and 34 industries; software is ~12.5% of fair value; average par per investment ~$3.5 million.
  • Originations were intentionally low in Q4 at $9.6 million, with repayments and sales of $40.4 million, yielding net repayments/sales of ~$30.8 million; new debt investments had an 11.8% yield on par.
  • Non-accruals at year-end: 13 investments related to 10 portfolio companies, representing 4.0% of portfolio fair value and 7.1% of cost.
  • Excluding non-accruals, the debt portfolio was $391.7 million at fair value, trading at a blended 92.7% of par, and 81.5% first lien by par value.
  • Management estimates par recovery could add ~$30.9 million of incremental net value, a potential 14.8% boost to NAV; an illustrative 10% default with 70% recovery equates to ~$1.46 per share or an 8.7% NAV lift as assets rotate.
  • Weighted average contractual interest rate on borrowings rose to 6.9% with $312.3 million outstanding, up from 6.1% on $324.6 million the prior quarter; gross and net leverage were 1.5x and 1.4x respectively.
  • Significant realized loss explained: CP Flex sale process deteriorated late as junior lenders extracted hold-up value, reducing recoveries. Major unrealized markdown: HDC Hostway re-traded sale terms on one business unit, prompting valuation step-down.
  • Great Lakes joint venture distribution was ~$1.3 million lower in Q4 due to a non-recurring rollover item and a ROC versus income classification; management expects the JV to generate low-teens returns on a near-term basis.
  • Management stance: disciplined deployment amid elevated competition for sponsor-backed direct lending, prefer wide spreads and strong documentation; actively pursuing M&A and BDC roll-ups as a primary source of growth alongside selective buybacks.

Full Transcript

Conference Call Moderator, Moderator, BCP Investment Corporation: Hello, welcome to BCP Investment Corporation’s fourth quarter and full year ended December 31, 2025 earnings conference call. An earnings press release was distributed yesterday, March 5, after market close. A copy of the release, along with an an earnings presentation, is available on the company’s website at www.bcpinvestmentcorporation.com in the investor relations section and should be reviewed in conjunction with the company’s Form 10-K filed yesterday with the SEC. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded for replay purposes. Please note that today’s conference call may contain forward-looking statements which are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements as a result of a number of factors, including those described in the company’s filing with the SEC.

BCP Investment Corporation assumes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements unless required by law. Speaking on today’s call will be Ted Goldthorpe, Chief Executive Officer, President, and Director of BCP Investment Corporation, Brandon Satoren, Chief Financial Officer, and Patrick Schafer, Chief Investment Officer. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Ted Goldthorpe, Chief Executive Officer of BCP Investment Corp. Please go ahead, Ted.

Ted Goldthorpe, Chief Executive Officer, President, and Director, BCP Investment Corporation: Good morning. Welcome to our fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings call. I’m joined today by our Chief Financial Officer, Brandon Satoren, our Chief Investment Officer, Patrick Schafer, and the rest of the team. Following my open remarks on the company’s performance and activities during the fourth quarter and full year, Patrick will provide commentary on our investment portfolio and our markets, and Brandon will discuss our operating results and financial condition in greater detail. I’d like to start by discussing some highlights, as 2025 was a transformational year for the company. In July, we completed our merger with Logan Ridge, and in August, we successfully completed a rebranding and name change. The merger meaningfully strengthened our platform, expanded our scale, and broadened our portfolio diversification.

At the same time, our rebranding better reflects our affiliation with the broader BC Partners credit platform and is a representation of our long-term vision as we position the company for its next phase of growth. In December, we completed our tender offer by purchasing roughly 558,000 shares at an aggregate cost of approximately $7.6 million, which was accretive to NAV by $0.18 a share. Consistent with our diligent capital market management strategy, during the year, we also proactively extended and laddered our unsecured debt maturities, issuing $75 million of 7 and three-quarters notes due October 2030, and $35 million of 7.5% notes due October 2028, while also redeeming our 4 and seven-eighth notes due 2026. These actions further diversified our funding base and provide us with enhanced financial flexibility.

As a result of this year’s performance and the successful execution of multiple strategic initiatives, the board of directors approved a quarterly base distribution of $0.32 a share for the quarter ended March 31, 2026. Additionally, the board also approved the transition of the company’s base dividend payment schedule from quarterly to monthly beginning in the month of April 2026, while retaining the potential for quarterly supplemental distributions. We believe this change better aligns our distribution schedule with shareholder interests. The board approved a regular monthly base distribution of $0.09 per share for each of the months of April, May, and June 2026. Also consistent with previous years, on March 4, 2026, the board authorized a renewed stock purchase program of up to $10 million for approximately a one-year period.

All these initiatives I’ve discussed are designed to enhance shareholder value and reaffirm our commitment to shareholders. During the quarter, we generated net investment income of $7.4 million, or $0.57 a share, compared to $8.8 million or $0.71 per share in the prior quarter. For the year, we generated $25.1 million or $2.28 per share, compared to $24 million or $2.59 per share for 2024. We remain focused on executing our strategic initiatives, managing expenses, optimizing portfolio positioning for earnings and distribution coverage over time. Before handing the call over, I’d like to take a moment to address recent developments in the broader credit markets, specifically regarding the software segment.

Over the last several weeks, we’ve seen a notable risk off move in public software valuations, driven largely by uncertainty and speculation around how quickly AI adoption might change competitive dynamics rather than broad-based fundamental deterioration across the sector. As a reminder, BCIC remains broadly diversified with investments across 34 industries and software representing approximately 12.5% of the portfolio’s fair market value. We’ve been proactive in evaluating our software-related exposure through AI disruption lens. Based on our internal review, the overwhelming majority of software exposure we track is assessed as low to medium AI impact, and only a small portion is viewed as high impact.

We also believe the market will increasingly differentiate between companies that are mission-critical and embedded in customer workflows, often supported by proprietary data, higher switching costs, and customers operating in regulated industries versus simpler point solutions that may be more vulnerable if they fail to incorporate AI into their products and operations. As a result, our focus remains on selectivity and credit quality structure with underwriting and monitoring that emphasizes revenue durability, retention, pricing power, and downside protection. Looking ahead, while macroeconomic headwinds persist, we believe current market dynamics continue to create compelling opportunities for our discipline strategy. We anticipate that 2026 will bring increased activity in the M&A market and expect to capitalize on opportunities in our portfolio. With a larger, more diversified platform and a stronger balance sheet heading into the year, we believe we are well-positioned to drive continued earnings growth and long-term value creation.

With that, I will turn over the call to Patrick Schafer, our Chief Investment Officer, for a review of our investment activity.

Patrick Schafer, Chief Investment Officer, BCP Investment Corporation: Thanks, Ted. During the fourth quarter, we were intentionally prudent in new investment deployment as we executed on several key capital initiatives, including our debt refinancing and tender offer. We view this as disciplined capital management, and we are looking to deploy into attractive opportunities as conditions warrant. Competition remains elevated across sponsor-backed direct lending, particularly for higher quality assets, and we continue to see lenders competing not only on spreads, but also on terms and certainty of execution. In environments like these, we continue to stay disciplined, prioritizing transactions where we can achieve appropriate economics alongside strong documentation and downside protections. Where pricing returns aren’t compelling, we’re comfortable stepping back and continuing to be selective from a credit quality perspective to focus on maximizing risk-adjusted returns for our shareholders. Turning to Slide 10.

Originations for the fourth quarter were $9.6 million, and repayments and sales were $40.4 million, resulting in net repayments and sales of approximately $30.8 million. Overall yield on par value of new debt investments during the quarter was 11.8%. This compares to a 12.9% weighted average annualized yield, excluding income from non-accruals and Collateralized Loan Obligations as of December 31, 2025. Our investment portfolio at year-end remained highly diversified. The end of the year with the debt investment portfolio, when excluding our investments in CLO funds, equities, and joint ventures, spread across 74 different portfolio companies and 34 different industries, with an average par balance of $3.5 million per investment. Turning to Slide 11.

At the end of 2025, we had 13 investments on non-accrual status, which were attributable to 10 portfolio companies, representing 4.0% and 7.1% of the portfolio at fair value and cost, respectively. This compares to 10 investments attributable to 8 portfolio companies on non-accrual status as of September 30, 2025, representing 3.8% and 6.3% of the portfolio at fair value and cost, respectively. On Slide 12, excluding our non-accrual investments, we have an aggregate debt investment portfolio of $391.7 million at fair value, which represents a blended price of 92.7% of par value and is 81.5% comprised of first lien loans at par value.

Assuming a par recovery, our December 31st, 2025 fair values reflect a potential of $30.9 million of incremental net value or a 14.8% increase to NAV. When applying an illustrative 10% default rate and 70% recovery rate, our debt portfolio would generate an incremental $1.46 per share of NAV or an 8.7% increase as it rotates. I’ll now turn the call over to Brandon to further discuss our financial results for the period.

Brandon Satoren, Chief Financial Officer, BCP Investment Corporation: Thanks, Patrick. For the quarter ended December 31st, 2025, the company generated $ seventeen and a half million in investment income, a decrease of $1.4 million as compared to $18.9 million reported for the quarter ended September 30th, 2025. The decrease in investment income was primarily driven by the distribution from our Great Lakes joint venture coming in $1.3 million lower than the prior quarter and historical levels as a result of a non-recurring item, as well as the impact of two additional investments on non-accrual and decreases in base rates. For the year, total investment income was $61.2 million compared to $62.4 million in 2024.

For the quarter ended December 31st, 2025, total expenses were $10.1 million, which represents a $0.2 million decrease as compared to $10.3 million reported for the prior quarter. The decrease in expenses was primarily driven by lower incentive fees and general and administrative expenses, partially offset by higher financing costs associated with 30 days of duplicative interest expense associated with calling the company’s April 2026 notes, which amounted to $0.5 million. For the year, total expenses were $36.2 million or a $2.2 million decrease as compared to $38.4 million in 2024. The decrease in expenses compared to the prior year was primarily driven by lower incentive fees.

Accordingly, our net investment income for the fourth quarter of 2025 was $7.4 million or $0.57 per share, which constitutes a million and a half dollar decrease or $0.14 per share from $8.9 million or $0.71 per share reported for the prior quarter. Core net investment income for the fourth quarter was $4.1 million or $0.32 per share, compared to $5.2 million or $0.42 per share in the third quarter of 2025.

For the year, net investment income was $25.1 million or $2.28 per share, compared to $24 million or $2.59 per share in 2024. As of December 31st, 2025, our net asset value totaled $209.2 million, a decrease of $22.1 million or 9.6% from the prior quarter’s NAV of $231.3 million. On a per share basis, NAV was $16.68 per share as of December 31st, 2025, representing an $0.87 decrease, or 5% as compared to the company’s prior quarter NAV per share of $17.55. Notably, the difference between the 9.6% decrease and 5% is the accretive impact of the tender offer and our buyback program.

Broadly speaking, the decline in NAV was due to fourteen and a half million dollars of net realized and change in unrealized losses on the portfolio, as well as core net NII not covering the dividend paid during the quarter by approximately $2 million. As it relates to the right side of our balance sheet, we ended the year with gross and net leverage ratios of 1.5 and 1.4 times respectively, which compares to gross and net leverage ratios of 1.4 times and 1.3 times, respectively, for the prior quarter. Specifically, as of December 31st, 2025, we had a total of $312.3 million of borrowings outstanding with a current weighted average contractual interest rate of 6.9%.

This compares to $324.6 million in borrowings outstanding as of the prior quarter with a weighted average contractual interest rate of 6.1%. The company finished the year with $124.7 million of available borrowing capacity under the senior secured revolving credit facilities, which are subject to borrowing-based restrictions. Finally, I’m pleased to share that during the quarter, the company refinanced its $108 million of unsecured notes maturing in April 2026 by issuing $75 million of 7.75% notes due October 2030 and $35 million of 7.5% notes due October 2028. These actions reduced near-term refinancing risk and better ladder the company’s debt capital structure by staggering the company’s maturities, which improves the company’s balance sheet.

With that, I will turn the call back over to Ted.

Ted Goldthorpe, Chief Executive Officer, President, and Director, BCP Investment Corporation: Thank you, Brandon. Ahead of questions, I’d like to reemphasize our commitment to our shareholders. Our focus remains on disciplined capital allocation, maintaining a high-quality portfolio, and delivering attractive risk-adjusted returns. With a large, more diversified platform and a strengthened balance sheet, we believe we’re well positioned to drive continued earnings growth and value creation in the quarters ahead. Thank you once again to all our shareholders, employees, and partners for your ongoing support. This concludes our prepared remarks, and I’ll turn the call over for questions.

Conference Call Moderator, Moderator, BCP Investment Corporation: Thank you. Quick reminder before we start the Q&A. If you’d like to ask a question, please press star and the number one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and enter the queue. If you’d like to withdraw your question or your question has been answered, please press star one again. Thank you. We will take our first question from Erik Zwick from Lucid Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Erik Zwick, Analyst, Lucid Capital Markets: Thanks. Good morning, everyone. you know, Ted, in your prepared comments, you mentioned, you know, the actions that you took in 2025 reflect the long-term vision as you position the company for its next phase of growth. I’m curious, just kind of, you know, from your perspective, if you think about the next year or two, what do you think the mix of growth looks like from a, you know, organic and acquisition mix? I guess I’m kind of curious on that, you know, latter potential source of growth, the acquisitions, you know, what the pipeline looks like in terms of, you know, opportunities? I guess if I add another piece in there, you know, are there any other initiatives for growth that you’re considering at this point as well?

Ted Goldthorpe, Chief Executive Officer, President, and Director, BCP Investment Corporation: Yeah, it’s a great question. You know, I don’t see us pursuing organic growth. I mean, of anything, given where our stock trades, it makes sense for us to continue to buy back stock. The tender plus share buybacks obviously were a pretty nice tailwind to NAV-- for NAV for us or NAV per share. In terms of like all this recent choppiness in the market and all the recent headlines, our M&A pipeline is probably bigger than it’s ever been. And that includes both public entities and unlisted entities. We expect to be able to grow our platform, and we had to get Logan Ridge done, and that sets us up to do continued M&A.

As you know, we’ve kind of rolled up a number of BDCs over the last couple of years, and it’s a key part to our strategy to basically continue to do that, optimize the portfolios, and continue to buy back stock.

Erik Zwick, Analyst, Lucid Capital Markets: That’s helpful. I guess, you know, thinking about the pipeline for organic growth and maybe the size of the portfolio, it sounds like, you still consider the buyback a pretty attractive use of capital at this point. Is that the right read on your comments there?

Ted Goldthorpe, Chief Executive Officer, President, and Director, BCP Investment Corporation: Yeah. I mean, you can see our originations, you know, like our repayments and sales are way higher than originations. The reason for that is it’s more accretive for us to basically take the liquidation than buy back stock. That’s what we’ve been doing. On a go-forward basis, you know, we’re very cautious in terms of new deployment. We’re really looking for areas where we can deploy capital at very wide spreads. Again, you know, those opportunities are just few and far between. We think there’s a little bit of a disconnect between.

Brandon Satoren, Chief Financial Officer, BCP Investment Corporation: Actual risk and the way risk is being priced. We are being pretty judicious on deploying new capital.

Erik Zwick, Analyst, Lucid Capital Markets: That’s great color. Thanks. Last one, maybe for Brandon. Just looking at the dividend income that you recognized in the quarter. I think it was around $200,000 or so maybe $197,000, and that was quite a bit below the prior kinda 4-quarter average, closer to, like, $1. Just curious if there’s something noteworthy that changed in the fourth quarter and what the run rate of dividend income might look like going forward.

Brandon Satoren, Chief Financial Officer, BCP Investment Corporation: Yeah, that’s right, Erik. The decrease was driven by the much lower Great Lakes. Our Great Lakes joint venture’s distribution this quarter. There was a non-recurring item associated with it’s an evergreen product. Every 3 years it rolls into a new series that occurred in the prior quarter. That impacted the Great Lakes distribution this quarter. It’s, you know, very much a non-recurring item. You know, the product is sensitive to rates. Where it was previously earning and distributing is probably higher than what we’re modeling going forward. It still should generate, call it, you know, low teens return on a near-term basis going forward.

Patrick Schafer, Chief Investment Officer, BCP Investment Corporation: I’d also make the distinction. The non-recurring item was just the difference between ROC versus income. It wasn’t necessarily a cash distribution question. It was sort of how we kind of had to or are we supposed to recognize the cash in terms of ROC versus income.

Brandon Satoren, Chief Financial Officer, BCP Investment Corporation: That’s right.

Erik Zwick, Analyst, Lucid Capital Markets: Great. Thank you for taking my questions this morning, guys.

Patrick Schafer, Chief Investment Officer, BCP Investment Corporation: Thank you.

Conference Call Moderator, Moderator, BCP Investment Corporation: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Chris Nolan from Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

Chris Nolan, Analyst, Ladenburg Thalmann: Hey, guys.

Brandon Satoren, Chief Financial Officer, BCP Investment Corporation: Hey, Chris.

Chris Nolan, Analyst, Ladenburg Thalmann: The declining dividend, should we use that as a proxy for the earnings run rate going forward in the second half of the year?

Brandon Satoren, Chief Financial Officer, BCP Investment Corporation: No. Again, that was the non-recurring item that Erik had just asked about, Chris. You know, next quarter, we would expect that to return to more normalized historical levels.

Chris Nolan, Analyst, Ladenburg Thalmann: Okay. Then the driver and the realized loss?

Brandon Satoren, Chief Financial Officer, BCP Investment Corporation: The largest driver on the realized was, a portfolio company called CP Flex. Patrick, do you wanna give some color?

Patrick Schafer, Chief Investment Officer, BCP Investment Corporation: Yeah, I mean, to be honest, Chris, we, it was a company that was going through a sale process. The sale process had been going on some time. We had a bid that fully, that was fully covering par plus accrued interest, we’re working towards the end. To be entirely honest, in the last, like, couple weeks of the transaction, there were some junior lenders in the capital structure that basically created a massive amount of hold-up value. The lenders were forced into this discussion of whether we should, like, file a company for a pre-pack and get these guys out and move on.

Again, we were a small part of the syndication, but there was just an overall view that between the cost associated with the pre-pack and the risk that the buyer would move away from us, that lenders were kinda willing to accept, you know, again, what amounted to a good amount of hold-up value at the end of the day. The difference effectively between, you know, what we, what we had it on the books at and what we ended up realizing was sort of that last little bit of a couple folks holding us hostage.

Chris Nolan, Analyst, Ladenburg Thalmann: Got it. Then I guess for unrealized depreciation, were there any particularly big drivers there?

Patrick Schafer, Chief Investment Officer, BCP Investment Corporation: unrealized depreciation?

Chris Nolan, Analyst, Ladenburg Thalmann: Yes, please.

Patrick Schafer, Chief Investment Officer, BCP Investment Corporation: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. I thought you said appreciation. I just wanna make sure I answered the question. The biggest one is called HDC Hostway. Again, kind of a similar-ish story, but they were working through LOIs, and they have two different business units and selling two different business units. They ultimately completed the sale of one of the business units, but the other one, effectively the buyer came back and retraced, like, $0.50 discount or something like that, which obviously didn’t make any sense and we weren’t gonna take. We sort of said no. They came back at a higher valuation, but still not something that the company was comfortable with. There’s a large lender that’s leading the process there.

Ultimately, the conclusion was to sell the first business where we kinda continued, where we got a reasonable cash offer and paid down some debt. Then we’ll kinda take the second business back to market at some point this year would be my guess. But for valuation purposes, we’re using that sort of, like, lower re-traded valuation for purpose of that. That is kind of the driver of the unrealized depreciation. That’s the biggest-

Chris Nolan, Analyst, Ladenburg Thalmann: Great.

Patrick Schafer, Chief Investment Officer, BCP Investment Corporation: That’s the biggest needle mover there.

Chris Nolan, Analyst, Ladenburg Thalmann: Got it. I guess strategically, but, you know, on your comments in terms of the growth drivers, acquisitions, are there a lot of potential BDC sellers out there? You know, is the pricing for these things going down? I mean, what sort of color can you provide?

Brandon Satoren, Chief Financial Officer, BCP Investment Corporation: I would say that, there’s a lot of permanent capital vehicles for sale. I think, the choppiness is gonna just exacerbate it. I mean, scale matters. I think there’s a lot of subscale vehicles that are having a hard time with originations costs, you know, and kinda growth and fundraising. As I said, our pipeline’s really robust, and it’s a mix of both private-public entities

Ted Goldthorpe, Chief Executive Officer, President, and Director, BCP Investment Corporation: Actually we’re pretty excited about the M&A market, and we think it’s a really good way to create value for our shareholders.

Chris Nolan, Analyst, Ladenburg Thalmann: Interesting. Okay, great. Thanks, guys.

Ted Goldthorpe, Chief Executive Officer, President, and Director, BCP Investment Corporation: Okay, great.

Conference Call Moderator, Moderator, BCP Investment Corporation: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Angelo Guerino from Or a Private Investor. Please go ahead.

Angelo Guerino, Private Investor: Good morning. Thanks for taking my call.

Ted Goldthorpe, Chief Executive Officer, President, and Director, BCP Investment Corporation: Hi, Angelo.

Angelo Guerino, Private Investor: Hi. This is going to be a little bit of a tough talk. Big picture, tough talk. I’m really trying to understand where you guys are focused on. Here’s a couple data points. June 30, 2019, couple quarters after you took KCAP, NAV per share split adjusted $37 a share. Over that time, you’ve distributed $16 per share split adjusted to shareholders. Now we’re sitting $20 a share NAV below that. You know, I’ve been a big supporter of you, I’ve been a big supporter of management, been a big supporter of the strategy and growing. You keep on using terms like, you know, risk-adjusted returns, shareholder value, continued growth, and shareholder value.

I’m trying to understand why it seems to me that quarter after quarter, your hair isn’t on fire about the drip, drip of the base value of our investment, which is NAV. I mean, you have to agree that BDCs are rare that are going to trade at huge multiples of NAV. Why aren’t I seeing or hearing you talk about being your hair on fire about what’s been happening to NAV ever since you took KCAP?

Ted Goldthorpe, Chief Executive Officer, President, and Director, BCP Investment Corporation: Okay. Well, I’ll answer that question. I mean, I don’t necessarily subscribe to everything you said, but the reality is, I mean, we’ve probably bought back more stock than any BDC as a percentage of our business. When we say things like that, we’re trying to be, you know, judicious about how we allocate capital. You know, we’ve obviously inherited a series of portfolios that were at the relative tail end of winding those down. If you look at a lot of the headwinds to our NAV, a lot of it has come from inherited positions. Again, when we took those on, we obviously have been working those out over the last, you know... I can’t remember the start date you used was, but it’s, you know, over the last 7 years.

In the meantime, you know, we bought back stock, we’ve refinanced the capital structure, and we’ve done a number of actions that we think are shareholder friendly. You know, we I totally hear what you’re saying, and the math is the math. But when you say our hair is on fire, I wouldn’t necessarily say that. I mean, I would say we have a good command of our-

Angelo Guerino, Private Investor: I guess what I’m saying is I want your hair to be on fire.

Ted Goldthorpe, Chief Executive Officer, President, and Director, BCP Investment Corporation: I don’t know if you wanna...

Angelo Guerino, Private Investor: I don’t hear a lot of discussion about. I don’t know what increasing shareholder value means if quarter after quarter, year after year, NAV is just going down, down. I don’t hear you just addressing it and in a way that is clear of where that turning point’s gonna be, where we’re gonna be seeing at least stable NAV, you know, at the same time. You know, sure, you did the stock buybacks. It was a good deal. Even in the face of stock buybacks, we had a decrease of NAV of $0.80 in just one quarter. That’s just not a one-off. This has been going quarter after quarter after quarter.

I guess what I’m trying to ask, I’m asking you as someone who is a supporter and has been very supportive all, you know, since you bought KCAP, ’cause I’m a KCAP I was a KCAP holder, so I’ve been here for this whole ride. Why aren’t, why am I not hearing what I think I need to hear that tells me when this is gonna when this drip is gonna stop and this thing’s gonna turn? I mean, just saying that I’ve bought back stock at a good deal, fine. Over six and a half years, I’ve lost $20 in NAV, and I’ve gotten $16 in distributions. I had to pay taxes on that distribution.

It would’ve been better off to just liquidate KCAP and give it to me six and a half years ago and let me put them in treasuries. I’m trying to understand where this is going and when and why I’m, why I’m not hearing you address in these conference calls where this turn’s gonna occur. Is that a better way of putting it?

Ted Goldthorpe, Chief Executive Officer, President, and Director, BCP Investment Corporation: Yeah. I mean, listen, I think... Listen, we’re very open-minded to having a broad discussion. Maybe we should talk, take this offline. We’re happy to sit down with you and take you through it and, you know, maybe optimize our communication next quarter. Why don’t we take it offline, and we’re happy to listen to you, of course, and listen to all of our shareholders. You know, happy to have that conversation.

Angelo Guerino, Private Investor: Okay.

Conference Call Moderator, Moderator, BCP Investment Corporation: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Paul Johnson from KBW. Please go ahead.

Paul Johnson, Analyst, KBW: Yeah, thanks for taking my questions. I just wanted to echo that a little bit. I mean, I just wanna understand as well, you know, kind of where you really can provide value for shareholders just given where we’re at. In my opinion, at least at this point, I don’t think that you’ve necessarily demonstrated that the mergers have been positive for shareholders, you know. This has been, any of these has worked out. It’s clear that, you know, buying some of these assets at NAV has not necessarily been a good deal. It sounds like that is still the consideration and the plan going forward. To me it hasn’t been a great way to increase shareholder NAV for you guys.

What other ways can we, you know, I guess stabilize what’s, you know, in the portfolio today and you can provide shareholders, you know, aside from, you know, trying to scale up through mergers going forward?

Ted Goldthorpe, Chief Executive Officer, President, and Director, BCP Investment Corporation: Yes. I mean, we used to provide a lot of disclosure about where we bought the assets versus where we monetize them. We should put that back in the presentation and walk people through why we think a number of the actions we’ve taken were the right prudent actions. Again, we’ll provide additional... We’ve historically disclosed that in a lot of detail and obviously, you know, we should just continue to do that. Then just lay out the roadmap for why we think that makes sense.

Paul Johnson, Analyst, KBW: Okay. Thank you. That’s all for me.

Conference Call Moderator, Moderator, BCP Investment Corporation: Thank you. There are no further questions in the queue. I will now turn the call back over to our CEO, Ted Goldthorpe, for closing remarks.

Ted Goldthorpe, Chief Executive Officer, President, and Director, BCP Investment Corporation: Great. Well, thank you all for attending our call. As always, please feel to reach out to us with any questions which we’re happy to discuss. We look forward to speaking with you again in May when we announce our first quarter 2026 results. Thank you.

Conference Call Moderator, Moderator, BCP Investment Corporation: The meeting has now concluded. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.